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As border debate rages, immigrants' fears rise
sacbee ^ | 5-7-05

Posted on 05/07/2005 10:26:39 AM PDT by LouAvul

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"Why are they so angry?" asked Teresa Gonzalez, 57, a Mexican immigrant and naturalized citizen.

"They," according to Gonzalez, include a variety of individuals and groups:

• Last month, volunteers calling themselves Minutemen descended on the Arizona border to deter illegal immigrants from crossing into the United States, and a Southern California organization announced plans to do the same near San Diego this summer.

• Last week, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger praised the work of the Minutemen, saying, "They've done a terrific job."

• Earlier this week, Southern California Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Murrieta, submitted a proposed initiative that would establish a state police force to enforce immigration laws.

• And the U.S. Senate is poised to approve a measure that would, among other things, discourage states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Gonzalez fears these elements are combustible and could spark violence.

She also knows there's no simple answer to her question.

Paul Rosenzweig is a senior legal research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. "There's a growing sense of dissatisfaction with the current (immigration) system," he said.

Though the Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank, Rosenzweig said liberal immigration advocates agree that change is needed.

"I don't think there's any consensus on what the right answer is," he said.

It seems everyone has jumped into the immigration debate, from President Bush - who has advocated a guest worker program - to California's GOP governor.

One popular theory is that Schwarzenegger's comments were a politically motivated attempt to boost his sagging poll numbers.

But activists on all sides offer a variety of reasons for recent immigration-related debates, border patrols and proposals.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderthunder
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1 posted on 05/07/2005 10:26:39 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul
"Why are they so angry?"

Doesn't sound as though that "naturalization" made her much of a citizen.

Perhaps the naturalization process needs to be scaled WAY back.

2 posted on 05/07/2005 10:29:14 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: LouAvul

The problem is not with Mexicans, it's with control of the border. The same trails that illegals use can be used by smugglers and terrorists. And neither the Mexican people nor the Mexican government care about it. Instead of Mexico putting pressure on the U.S., it should be the other way around.


3 posted on 05/07/2005 10:30:32 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: LouAvul

What is so hard to figure out? Guard the borders so a terrorist with a nuke dosen't cross, and take out one of our cities.
As for Mexicans who want to come to this nation to work, let them. So long as they pass criminal background checks. I have no problems elimnating the minimum wage for migrant workers either. But it should be all able bodied welfare recipients that take those jobs first.


4 posted on 05/07/2005 10:30:42 AM PDT by jimfrommaine
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To: BenLurkin

Odds are, that at age 57, she's probably an illegal who was granted one of the previous amnesties.


5 posted on 05/07/2005 10:32:10 AM PDT by Old_Mil
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To: LouAvul
It seems everyone has jumped into the immigration debate, from President Bush - who has advocated a guest worker program - to California's GOP governor.

What a stupid statement! To dismiss the Governor's involvement in this issue as mere debate is an insight to the naive stupidity of the author. The Governor fulfilling his constitutional role for the State of California by laying the foundation in an effort to stop the invasion of his state.

6 posted on 05/07/2005 10:34:15 AM PDT by Shortwave (Ted Kennedy’s rhetoric has killed more American soldiers than his car has killed women.)
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To: Old_Mil

Amen, and as for what we are so angry about, well for one thing, look at that woman killed in Rockland County, NY by an illegal.

We are angry about you all bringing your violent Latin American ways to our country.

NON-YANKIS GO HOME!


7 posted on 05/07/2005 10:35:58 AM PDT by jocon307 (Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: LouAvul; Travis McGee; Squantos; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why are "they" so angry?






OMG! We're the "they" --- and this from a naturalized citizen. God bless the MinuteMen, and Arnold for finally speaking up.


8 posted on 05/07/2005 10:36:33 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

"Why are "they" so angry?"

A better question is "Why is she so happy?".


9 posted on 05/07/2005 10:40:26 AM PDT by mthom
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To: LouAvul
Have their concerns gotten to the point where they leave? No? I thought not.
10 posted on 05/07/2005 10:41:34 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: LouAvul
I swear, this illegal immigration just seems like a new world order plot to destroy the US. Immigration along with the baby boomers retiring will be the downfall of America. I wish Sam Houston would be resurrected to slap Bush around.
12 posted on 05/07/2005 10:47:50 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: LogicalMs

There won't be an America in 25 years if this keeps up.


13 posted on 05/07/2005 10:49:21 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: LogicalMs

oH yeah. Brand anyone who wants secure borders as racist, and pushing hispanics to the Rats.

Spend a little time on the southern US border and see how absolutely wrong you are.


14 posted on 05/07/2005 10:54:26 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: Old_Mil
Odds are, that at age 57, she's probably an illegal who was granted one of the previous amnesties.

And in a few years, she gets to go on Social Security and Medicare! All on our tax dollars!

15 posted on 05/07/2005 10:57:01 AM PDT by ikka
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To: LogicalMs

"The consequence of all this hispanic-bashing will be to push hispanics over to the Democrat party along with Republican gays and Republican pro-choicers."

And we know how solidly hispanics vote Republican. So what youre trying to tell us is that unless we assent to illegal immigration we are racists, probable murderers, and party killers?


16 posted on 05/07/2005 11:00:40 AM PDT by mthom
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To: jimfrommaine
"I have no problems elimnating the minimum wage for migrant workers either."

A lot of the problem lies right here with our greedy businessmen. Have you ever considered the fact that we can't buy a single product made in America anymore because the greedy businessmen refuse to pay AMERICAN workers a decent wage? They either ship everything overseas for manufacture or use illegals or raw immigrants here at home so they can pay them crap and give you and I crappy service at every store or business we deal with.

17 posted on 05/07/2005 11:04:18 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: LogicalMs

You are SO wrong, on so many counts.


18 posted on 05/07/2005 11:06:02 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: LogicalMs
I doubt that some people posting on this issue distinguish between "illegal Mexican immigrants" and Hispanics who were here generations before they were.

If the measure is "some people," then you can make any point you want. "Some people" want machine guns and land mines at the border. "Some people" want an internal anti-Hispanic pogrom. Most of us, however, are reasonable individuals who do in fact distinguish between legal and illegal residents, and most certainly don't want people executed just for being or trying to get here illegally. The Minutemen did a good job of keeping the crazies out of their midst, and we can likewise make it clear that the more extreme elements on this issue aren't speaking for the majority.

19 posted on 05/07/2005 11:08:38 AM PDT by John Jorsett (email: mistersandiego yahoo.com (put the at sign in between those two))
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To: John Jorsett

Exactly. "Some" hispanics want to pull a "reconquista" on the southwest. In fact a poll said a majority of Mexicans believe they can come illegaly because the southwest really belongs to mexico.


20 posted on 05/07/2005 11:13:26 AM PDT by mthom
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