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To: Darksheare

Your fear is groundless and unrealistic.
You appear to be deliberately misunderstanding this bill.

FACT. The NFRTR registration goes all the way back to 1934. Except for ATFE's losses of records, and book keeping errors, there have been virtually no confirmed instances of the NFRTR being used to prosecute the innocent, particularly for political purposes.
The NFRTR has NEVER been the basis for ANY large scale confiscation scheme!

What you are panicking over has only been done by individual states and cities, with no relation to the NFRTR.

FACT. A similar amnesty was held for thirty days in Dec. of 1968.
That amnesty was open to EVERYONE, not just veterans and their heirs.
The doom you claim to fear has not happened in the thirty-seven years since!

ATFE is currently engaged in institutional perjury via their continued claim's at trial's that the NFRTR is 100% accurate.
This bill would allow an opportunity to make corrections to the inaccurate NFRTR, as well as aiding our veterans and heirs who may own "unregistered" NFA items.

It just might also eventually lead to a legitimately run "general amnesty" for everyone, which is the only way that the errors in the NFRTR can ever be fully corrected.
Once the amnesties are done, and there is no resulting increase in NFA related crime we MIGHT be able to dump 922.(o), thus restoring a significant portion of our RKBA!


78 posted on 05/09/2005 1:37:23 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Everybody; Richard-SIA
Some general observations on your support of 'amnesty'. -- Back at post #42 you claimed:

The existing "laws" are not bills, they are "Law of the land".

Never give an inch. -- Gun owners must not accept the NFA of '34 as being a Constitutional "Law of the Land". Thus, to accept 'amnesty' from it is, - in effect -, offering a repugnant 'law' legitimacy.

This is only one of several good bills now in congress, but it will never escape from committee without our help, and neither will any other pro-RKBA bill.
I am very disappointed that so many here do not understand this bill, it's intent, or why it's passage is essential to regaining our full RKBA.

Everyone posting here understands the intent of the bill, imo. -- But the above principle remains, - if we back the 'amnesty' bill, we in effect give legitimacy to the initial unconstitutional '34 'Act'..

You go on to say:

Your fear is groundless and unrealistic. You appear to be deliberately misunderstanding this bill.
FACT. The NFRTR registration goes all the way back to 1934. Except for ATFE's losses of records, and book keeping errors, there have been virtually no confirmed instances of the NFRTR being used to prosecute the innocent, particularly for political purposes.
The NFRTR has NEVER been the basis for ANY large scale confiscation scheme! What you are panicking over has only been done by individual states and cities, with no relation to the NFRTR.

States & local governments use the 1934 'Act' to legitimize their infringements, and our fed courts refuse to overthrow those unconstitutional local 'laws' on the same basis. Thus, we are trapped in a Fed/State circle of 'lawful' collusion, one where all levels ignore the 2nd Amendment.

FACT. A similar amnesty was held for thirty days in Dec. of 1968. That amnesty was open to EVERYONE, not just veterans and their heirs. The doom you claim to fear has not happened in the thirty-seven years since!

That 'amnesty' was rightly ignored by most war trophy owners. - And, -- I'd wager that thousands of people have had their lives seriously affected by the '68 gun 'law'. A number died in Waco, for instance.

ATFE is currently engaged in institutional perjury via their continued claim's at trial's that the NFRTR is 100% accurate. This bill would allow an opportunity to make corrections to the inaccurate NFRTR, as well as aiding our veterans and heirs who may own "unregistered" NFA items.

We shouldn't be working to "make corrections" to the unconstitutional NFA of '34. We should be working for its repeal.

It just might also eventually lead to a legitimately run "general amnesty" for everyone, which is the only way that the errors in the NFRTR can ever be fully corrected. Once the amnesties are done, and there is no resulting increase in NFA related crime we MIGHT be able to dump 922.(o), thus restoring a significant portion of our RKBA!

The incremental approach to ending gun control is not working. We must find a way to force the USSC to hear a definitive 2nd Amendment case that would strike down the NFA of 34. -- A class action suit by all the owners of so called 'illegal war trophies' could do the trick.

Could you agree to such an approach?

85 posted on 05/10/2005 7:00:05 AM PDT by P_A_I
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