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It's the same old crybaby stuff. Evos have had 150 years to make their case. They haven't. They can't. Their case is so pathetically tepid that they won't even show up for the hearings.

If they had as strong a case as their liberal whining complainers claim, they'd be there to blow the creationists out of the water. But they can't so they take their ball and go home.

An intellectual refutation of ID you won't see, not here, not in Kansas. You will see mud slinging, whining, name calling, logical fallacies galore, and a little chest thumping, but no more intellectual material from the pouting evos than you'd find at spring break in Daytona.

Since the IDers didn't offer anything to refute (and instead embarrassed themselves), it's hard to refute nothing. The IDers had the chance to impress the world with their impressive resume. They failed. Just wait until they get deposed in the Dover case. That will be the death knell of the Wedge, right there. The fact that they are creationists in disguise began to be exposed in Kansas, but in Dover, that's where they will have to show their true colors. Don't think that Philip Johnson doesn't know it, he's already been on record as expressing disappointment at the timing of the Dover case.

It's the same old crybaby stuff. Evos have had 150 years to make their case. They haven't. They can't. Their case is so pathetically tepid that they won't even show up for the hearings. If they had as strong a case as their liberal whining complainers claim, they'd be there to blow the creationists out of the water.

Sorry they already did make their case, and they already did blow the creationists out of the water... in the scientific literature, where scientific debate belongs. Failing in the scientific debate, the creationists brought a new debate in the court hoping for more favorable conditions... read lower expectations on scienctific quality.

It's the same old crybaby stuff. Evos have had 150 years to make their case.

Right! This is the way it really was.

Creation of the Earth

The world was once nothing but water. The only land above the water was Black mountain. All the people lived up there when the flood came, and their fireplaces can still be seen.
Fish-eater and Hawk lived there. Fish-eater was Hawk's uncle. One day they were singing and shaking a rattle. As they sang, Hawk shook this rattle and dirt began to fall out of it. They sang all night, shaking the rattle the whole time. Soon there was so much dirt on the water that the water started to go down. When it had gone all the way down, they put up the Sierra Nevada to hold the ocean back. Soon they saw a river running down through the valley.
When they finished making the earth, Hawk said, "Well, we have finished. Here is a rabbit for me. I will live on rabbits in my lifetime." Fish-eater was over a swampy place, and he said, "I will live on fish in my lifetime." They had plenty to eat for themselves. It was finished.
Owens Valley Paiute creation story, eastern California

If they had as strong a case as their liberal whining complainers claim, they'd be there to blow the creationists out of the water. But they can't so they take their ball and go home.

Can you tell me exactly what kind of argument would convince someone who thinks Isaac Newton discovered that things fall down?