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Senate approves electronic ID card bill
ZD.Net ^ | 05/11/2005 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 05/11/2005 8:16:56 AM PDT by listenhillary

By Declan McCullagh

Last-minute attempts by online activists to halt an electronic ID card failed Tuesday when the U.S. Senate unanimously voted to impose a sweeping set of identification requirements on Americans. The so-called Real ID Act now heads to President Bush, who is expected to sign the bill into law this month. Its backers, including the Bush administration, say it's needed to stop illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses.

If the act's mandates take effect in May 2008, as expected, Americans will be required to obtain federally approved ID cards with "machine readable technology" that abides by Department of Homeland Security specifications. Anyone without such an ID card will be effectively prohibited from traveling by air or Amtrak, opening a bank account, or entering federal buildings.

After the Real ID Act's sponsors glued it to an Iraq military spending bill, final passage was all but guaranteed. Yet that didn't stop a dedicated cadre of privacy activists from trying to raise the alarm in the last few days.

UnRealID.com, which calls the legislation a "national ID card," says that more than 10,800 people filled out its online petition to senators.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation hastily created a "Stop The Real ID Act!" campaign last week, and the ACLU denounced the bill as a measure that would create "a system ripe for identity theft." Security guru Bruce Schneier offered his own negative critique.

If the Real ID Act had been a standalone piece of legislation--instead of being embedded in an unrelated military spending bill--its passage in the Senate might have been less certain.

The House approved it in February by a relatively narrow vote of 261-161, and some senators had condemned it. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., warned last month that the Real ID Act creates "de facto national ID cards" and the National Immigration Law Center said it will make it harder even for legal immigrants and citizens to get drivers' licenses.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican and Real ID Act sponsor, applauded the Senate vote on Tuesday. "The Real ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks," Sensenbrenner said. "By targeting terrorist travel, the Real ID will assist in our war-on-terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigbrother; idcard; nationalid; privacy; realid; yourpapersplease
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Oh boy - can't wait!
1 posted on 05/11/2005 8:16:59 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: listenhillary

Interesting. I hope this stops illegal immigrants, but I'm still a little unsure about it.


2 posted on 05/11/2005 8:18:06 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: listenhillary

They will close our southern border now or after this takes effect?


3 posted on 05/11/2005 8:18:24 AM PDT by listenhillary (If it ain't broke, it will be after the government tries to fix it)
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To: listenhillary

Who knows? Maybe they're just waiting to bring all the illegal immigrants they can before 2008 so the Mexicans can take over America.


4 posted on 05/11/2005 8:19:07 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: listenhillary
The critics overlook the fact there has been NOT one recorded abuse of the Patriot Act in the four years since 9/11. Pretty amazing in a war-time situation. Now, all the Real I.D Act says is people prove who they say they are. That shouldn't be a particularly onerous task in a country in which most adults carry state drivers' licenses as a matter of habit.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
5 posted on 05/11/2005 8:20:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: listenhillary

My take on this is that it helps to pave the way for Social Security reform in that a function of SSA is to "identify" Americans by way of their SS # and birth date. Additionally, if this law was in effect before 9-11, Mohammed Atta might possibly have been arrested and deported prior to 9-11 because he would not have had a driver's license when he was pulled over in Florida 2 months prior.


6 posted on 05/11/2005 8:23:07 AM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: goldstategop

Will it be required for voting?


7 posted on 05/11/2005 8:23:19 AM PDT by listenhillary (If it ain't broke, it will be after the government tries to fix it)
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To: wk4bush2004
It sure is going to be hard making counterfeit cards now.

I can't wait until the information on these cards is imprinted on my wrist or forehead /sarcasm off/

I wonder how long before we start seeing these things stolen? People are going to be robbed and killed for one of these I guarantee it.

Sign of the end times I'm afraid.

v/r
8 posted on 05/11/2005 8:26:21 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: listenhillary
Oh good! We will get this national ID card, which of course will be as effective in controlling illegal aliens as all the other measures taken since 9/11. The document will of course be readily obtained in the black market, just as narcotics are. The Muslim terrorists should have little problem obtaining illegal documents, as they seem to be well funded.

In addition, the national ID card will become effective just months before the strong possibility that the Democrats re-occupy the White House. Of course, the Dems would never abuse this increase in Federal power.

9 posted on 05/11/2005 8:26:33 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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Yes. We're already moving cashless and paperless. I just don't want anything implanted in my body.


10 posted on 05/11/2005 8:27:46 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: listenhillary

Any type of ID can be counterfeited. Why should this be any different? Will the card make a significant difference? I hope so.

I presume this card will carry a picture of the owner?

Gee, I hope they're gonna use a nice camera.


11 posted on 05/11/2005 8:28:14 AM PDT by RexBeach ("I can see it now. You and the moon. You wear a necktie so I'll know you." -Groucho Marx)
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To: Wallace T.
Another way to control the law abiding masses. The sheeple just keep lining up!

v/r
12 posted on 05/11/2005 8:28:38 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: listenhillary

Will it be required for voting?



Good question...... Maybe the next step is standardized requirements for voting in Federal Elections:


13 posted on 05/11/2005 8:31:15 AM PDT by deport (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue....)
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To: wk4bush2004

They tout this as a victory? Line up for the slaughter my friends!

This is a sad day IMHO.

v/r


14 posted on 05/11/2005 8:31:56 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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"... relatively narrow vote of 261-161"

That's a hundred vote margin on 422 votes cast (about 24%). Must be the new math because it's hardly narrow.

15 posted on 05/11/2005 8:32:15 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: PJammers

What do you mean by slaughter?


16 posted on 05/11/2005 8:33:39 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: listenhillary

...Will it be required for voting?...

Who is worth voting for?


17 posted on 05/11/2005 8:42:15 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I leave reason and good manners to those that have them.)
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let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast...for it is a human number the number is six hundred and sixty six.


18 posted on 05/11/2005 8:46:31 AM PDT by Xenophon450
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To: listenhillary
Will it be required for voting?

I certainly hope so!!! And perhaps it will start in Wisconsin ... wonder if the 2008 enactment is timed for the next election? Probably right 'after' if the Dem's have their way.

19 posted on 05/11/2005 8:47:08 AM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: wk4bush2004
What I mean is that we are being herded like sheep to slaughter. Do you honestly believe this card is not going to be used to control your behavior? You will not be allowed to purchase things without it.

Doesn't anyone here believe that these cards represent a major encroachment into our freedom? Why do we need one? What is the purpose of a card? They can be easily copied! What happens if yours is lost or stolen? What kind of hoops will you have to jump through to get a new one? If you try to buy something without the card will the merchant have to report you to the DHS?

What information will be on the card? Can that information be tracked or copied? The government will know EVERYTHING about you. Once they know everything, they will be able to control your behavior.

Welcome to a "Brave new world" my friends.

This is a day I thought I would never see in my lifetime.

Very sad.

v/r
20 posted on 05/11/2005 8:48:03 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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