Bummer, respectfully, I don't recall saving the Jews ever being an issue!
I grew up with Jews. If THEY knew or anticipated the horror, it never got out into the neighborhood.
Again, I say .. it only became the Jewish World War after the damnable thing was over.
From the article: And this to me is the main problem with it
"If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in.
If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe.
Was that worth fighting a world war – with 50 million dead?"
If you have to ask "Why destroy Hitler?" and also look upon the Allied victory with derision and by using "smashing" in quotes, I take it that Pat wasn't too pleased at the Nazi defeat(and feels some measure of sympathy towards them and that he's upset that the Nazi's lost), then that to me tells you all you need to know.
I get the impression after reading this that Pat's desired outcome was a Nazi Victory along with the US staying on the sidelines. ASide from this argument, which will have to end with us agreeing to disagree, let me ask to this: Are you glad the Nazi's lost or would you rather that the US stayed out and the Nazis won. I mean, does the fact the Nazis were defeated upset you? I get the impression it does upset Pat.
On the FDR issue, I agree, he screwed the Jews over a bunch of times and was by no means blameless. And if you say that WW2 history has become dominated by the Holocaust and Jewish issues to the exclusion of other just as valid stories, I'd have to agree with you. But given some of Pat's past comments whenever he talks about WW2 it's not surprising that discussion ends up focused on it.
That is a big misconception for sure. My grandparents gave me an old Time Life book that was published maybe a year or two after the end of the war, and I remember it was shocking to me that there was NOTHING mentioned about the Jews or the Holocaust in the entire book. I don't know if it was always taught that way or if I have somehow always ordered the facts in my head to make it that way. In any case it definitley seems to be a fairly common mistake.
So who actually knew what was happenening to the Jews during the war or leading up to it, and why were we not told about it? It just seems so unbelievable that such a thing could be kept from the people, even Jews themselves as you say.
Totally in agreement over here.