Posted on 05/11/2005 2:11:51 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly
How about this for a t-shirt?
"It's Monday morning, and I'm ready for brainwashing!"
Hey...can I be on your Public Schools Ping List?
LOL!! I love it!
"the self-righteous "pro-lifers""
"SELF righteous"? How do you figure, since, in the matter under discussion, they defer to GOD?
Since killing the life growing in a womans womb is, well, killing, how then can one who advocates it's legality NOT be pro death? You see "arrogance" in this position!?
I think you protest too much.
Where are you living? What public school does not have a Bible in its library? What public school can prevent someone from carrying a Bible with them anywhere? THAT is against the constitution and can not be legally done.
Where have YOU been for the past twenty years?
I know of a number of public schools without a Bible in the library, and I know kids who have been reprimanded for praying on the playground, silently praying before lunch, and reading the Bible during free reading time. Heck, search FR and you'll find plenty of this activity.
Of course it cannot be legally done...but it happens. A lot of families have had to go to court to make it permissible within the school district.
I love ya, Marine, but I think you're off on this one.
Killing life applies after the process of birth. Before that process it is potential life, just as before adulthood a child is a potential adult. The child may or may not become an adult and an unborn may or may not become a baby.
The arrogance I am talking about is the attempt of religious zealots to determine for the families of those whom they know nothing about what is best for that family. By design, children come from families, not from governments or religious organizations. If a woman will risk death by carrying a pregnancy to term, it is not "pro death" to decide to have an abortion and that decision is not the prerogative of the government or your religious belief.
This is simply a false statement and unscientific gobbledygook. For somebody to claim the mantle of science as you have and then make such a statement is pretty damn hypocritical Semper.
Before that process it is potential life, just as before adulthood a child is a potential adult. The child may or may not become an adult and an unborn may or may not become a baby.
At all stages life exists. Yes, there is a continuum of life from conceptus to death but if you favor the taking of unborn life be honest about it. Don't make believe a baby in the womb is non life and then after delivery it is, presto, life. You can take a position that favors abortion without being intellectually dishonest, no?
I can live with discipline and good order in the school. No messages or all messages that don't break obscentiy laws in the locale.
But only after this particular principal is suitably chastised for his callous disregard of the First Amendment.
I find this really hard to believe but given that it is true, I would welcome the opportunity to hammer whomever was responsible for this blatant error. Legally it would be like the "wack-a-mole" game. Talk about being an overwhelming victor, this would be a cake walk.
Abortion is offensive but its taught in the "sex ed" class I'd bet on it.
Next time I want to see him wear a picture of an abortion on his chest.
I've done that on the streetcorner and can tell you it was the most fulfilling time of my life.
Clarification : I held a big sign not wore a T-Shirt.
"Killing life applies after the process of birth. "
Wow. What are we to call this "fact" The Semper technicality?
Life has a determinable beginning and a demonstrable end. There are no facts which trump this. Moreover, we are not entitled to make them up for the purposes of a political argument.
"The arrogance I am talking about is the attempt of religious zealots to determine for the families of those.."
It is arrogance in the EXTREME for one citizen to think he may decide what is and is not a proper source of belief for another citizen in a representative republic. You are not big enough to tell me what moral source may inform my vote any more than I am able to disqualify a Communist Manifesto spouting professor from HIS vote. By the way, since an atheist scientest may (and many do)believe abortion is immoral how do you figure the position as a purely religious response?
What about sperm? Sperm is alive. Just because it has not made it to the egg, does that mean that its life is not significant? Why not legally protect sperm?
You can take a position that favors abortion without being intellectually dishonest, no?
I do not take a position that favors abortion! What a disrespectful proposition. I have gone to war for this country but I do NOT favor war! That is what is so disgusting about the zealot religious fanatics who arrogantly see themselves as the saviors of the human race; abortion and war are both abhorrent but sometimes necessary. What is important is who decides about those matters and what determines that decision. We still have a way to go on both matters.
"Killing life applies after the process of birth. "
Wow. What are we to call this "fact" The Semper technicality?
Life has a determinable beginning and a demonstrable end. There are no facts which trump this. Moreover, we are not entitled to make them up for the purposes of a political argument.
"The arrogance I am talking about is the attempt of religious zealots to determine for the families of those.."
It is arrogance in the EXTREME for one citizen to think he may decide what is and is not a proper source of belief for another citizen in a representative republic. You are not big enough to tell me what moral source may inform my vote any more than I am able to disqualify a Communist Manifesto spouting professor from HIS vote. By the way, since an atheist scientest may (and many do)believe abortion is immoral how do you figure the position as a purely religious response?
Read my post # 76 and then reply.
Psalms 139: 13
For you created my inmost being, you knit me together in my mother's womb.
Since god created you, where do you find in the bible a "right to destroy it before birth"?
Since god also know you in the womb how then were you not a person?
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