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Holy Cross College Throws Out the SAT
Notes from D.R. ^ | 05/11/05 | D.R. Tucker

Posted on 05/11/2005 4:38:02 PM PDT by emeryboard

Holy Cross College is dropping the SAT as an admissions requirement, apparently in the name of boosting ethnic diversity. I disagree with this decision. Not only is it a capitulation to the notion that blacks and Hispanics are somehow unable to get high SAT scores (which is politically correct bigotry, in my book), it also plays into the conspiracy theory that the test is somehow inherently biased against blacks and Hispanics. As Harvard professors Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom have pointed out, Asians tend to do better than whites on the SAT; if the creators of the test were deliberately trying to make the test biased, why would they make it biased in favor of Asians?

Dropping the SAT is an easy way out, an example of what President Bush once called "the soft bigotry of low expectations."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; catholicschools; education; highereduation; holycross; sat
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1 posted on 05/11/2005 4:38:04 PM PDT by emeryboard
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Holy Cross College is dropping the SAT as an admissions requirement, apparently in the name of boosting ethnic diversity.

This is not the way to go about this. Cast your net wide. Those who qualify can be admitted, while those who don't can keep shopping. Dropping your standards due to race is paternalistic, to say the least. And those who are admitted sans SAT scores would be considered walking stereotypes.

This causes more harm than anything!


2 posted on 05/11/2005 4:43:48 PM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: emeryboard
The Asians, of course, do better on the math portion. Some funny stuff happens when it comes to the language usage part.

Before the SAT came along colleges used to do their own evaluations. Enormous state universities would admit everyone to the first semester, then flunk them out left and right.

3 posted on 05/11/2005 4:45:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rdb3
This causes more harm than anything!

You are, unfortunately, correct.

4 posted on 05/11/2005 4:51:23 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: emeryboard

Ethnic diversity? How many illegals will be applying?


5 posted on 05/11/2005 4:52:46 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '06)
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To: emeryboard

Another chapter in the Dumbing-Down of Amerika!


6 posted on 05/11/2005 4:55:32 PM PDT by andie74 (Socializing children at home since 2003)
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To: emeryboard

This is the typical leftist response to striving for high standards: if maintaining standards won't give you the preferred (politically correct) outcomes, then the standards are the problem. We've seen this over and over again in the decadence and depravity of left-wing cultural decay.....


7 posted on 05/11/2005 5:03:39 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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"As Harvard professors Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom have pointed out, Asians tend to do better than whites on the SAT; if the creators of the test were deliberately trying to make the test biased, why would they make it biased in favor of Asians?"

hahahaha.
but you have to keep in mind that Asians are also descriminated against with affirmative action


8 posted on 05/11/2005 5:06:08 PM PDT by minus_273
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To: emeryboard

More multicultural stupidity from academia...


9 posted on 05/11/2005 5:11:53 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: emeryboard

IMHO, here's the problem with the SAT at this point in time.

If your parents have enough bucks (around $1200 to $3000), you can take a prep course and they will teach you strategies for taking the test.

My nephew just completed one of these prep courses, and it helped him raise his SAT score considerably.

IMHO, that has undermined the strength of the SAT, because it is no longer a true predictor of a student's strengths, but at times is just a predictor of who learned how to "take" the test.


10 posted on 05/11/2005 5:18:38 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

The other problem is that the much vaunted essay portion of the test is judged on length alone. You can write absolute nonsense for the rest of the essay after the first paragraph and get a very high score.

The SAT is a sick joke.


13 posted on 05/11/2005 5:42:53 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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I just read an article about a test specialist who could judge the score on the writing portion by having a person hold it up from across the room.

He said the same thing, the length of the essay determined the score. Very sad because a good writer knows "more" can usually be written with less words


14 posted on 05/11/2005 5:45:33 PM PDT by dawn53
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Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address would have failed the essay test if the subject question was best answered by it.

Sorry, but that's a clear sign that something is seriously broken.


15 posted on 05/11/2005 5:47:54 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: dawn53

The SAT didn't used to have an essay portion when I took it. The libs pushed for its inclusion as a poison pill and now they can say that it is useless because of the essay portion...

Any objective measurement is the enemy of liberals and they strive to destroy it.


16 posted on 05/11/2005 5:55:19 PM PDT by winner3000 (part)
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To: emeryboard

Can I send my dog. He showed up and got 100 on the SAT for trying.


17 posted on 05/11/2005 5:56:14 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Spktyr
the much vaunted essay portion of the test is judged on length alone

Stoo-pid. FYI - I judged your post on content.

18 posted on 05/11/2005 5:57:28 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

I'm going to assume that you were referring to the new grading system as stupid as opposed to yours truly.


19 posted on 05/11/2005 6:00:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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I don't know what it is now, but after the "new, harder" (pre-essay) SATs were introduced in the 90s, you got 400 points for showing up and putting your name on the paper.


20 posted on 05/11/2005 6:02:59 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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