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Nature Helps Create Religious Adults
ScienceDaily ^ | 2005-04-05 | Blackwell Publishing Ltd.

Posted on 05/11/2005 9:03:13 PM PDT by beavus

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To: bobbdobbs

intelectual capacity to form groups is far different than preset to affiliate with some particular groups. So groups which advocate "racial purity" have a tribal advantage? That went out with the kkk.


This is also akin to the homosexual arguing they exist as some form of "helper drone" to human society.

Perhaps we should be declaring homsexuals a metally deficient because they do not have the mental ability to associate orgams with members of the opposite sex.


41 posted on 05/12/2005 12:11:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: little jeremiah

Nice try, but it doesnt fit here. I didn't bring up the non sequitur, only responded to it once it was repeatedly made.


42 posted on 05/12/2005 4:17:51 AM PDT by beavus
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To: little jeremiah
According to eugenicists, human beings are nothing but pre-programmed machines,...Kind of like the inverse of...Calvinism...If you're "religious" (does that mean believing in God? What's their criteria?) it's just because you - the machine - has been programmed to have that idea/belief...You were born like that, nothing can be done about it...What they're really saying is that no one has any actual consciousness

Impressive. In one post you reveal a lack of understanding of eugenics, genetics, free will, Calvinism, and this particular study.

43 posted on 05/12/2005 4:28:31 AM PDT by beavus
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To: longtermmemmory
intelectual capacity to form groups is far different than preset to affiliate with some particular groups. So groups which advocate "racial purity" have a tribal advantage? That went out with the kkk.

This is also akin to the homosexual arguing they exist as some form of "helper drone" to human society.

Hilarious! To you every response to a Rorschach test is "homosexual", isn't it!

44 posted on 05/12/2005 4:33:08 AM PDT by beavus
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To: beavus

Okay, let's hear your version.


45 posted on 05/12/2005 8:28:15 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: beavus; longtermmemmory

So if anyone uses the word "homosexual" in any instance whatsoever, they are fixated?


46 posted on 05/12/2005 8:29:25 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Strategerist
People are very uncomfortable with the idea that any of their personality is genetic, but it's clear that it plays a role.

No doubt that there is a potential genetic role for each personality trait, but testing for them without observing specific genes can be folly. Trying to measure anything indirectly always includes the possibility that you're really measuring something else.

...turned out Schizophrenia was a medical condition that was largely genetic.

In cases where conscious control is not a part of the behavior, yes, we can measure genetic influence. But when evaluating the genetic basis of something under as much conscious control as religiousity (and some would throw homosexuality into this as well), we run the risk of minimizing environmental factors. One of the big flaws of twin studies is that they just assume that a pair of fraternal twins and a pair of identical twins, raised by similar families, are going to have the same environmental influences placed upon them. It simply isn't true, identical twins (or fraternal twins that are commonly assumed to be identical) have GIANT amounts of pressure put on them to be two copies of the same person.

My ex-wife was an identical twin, and further, she and her sister were albino (legally blind because of it), and pigeonholed even more than most identical twins. I've seen up close the amount of pressure they get to be like each other, it even comes from the other twin when one starts to 'stray' away from what they've been doing.

47 posted on 05/12/2005 8:35:51 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: bobbdobbs
I said "can be", and was referring to personality traits, which are under conscious control, and therefore changeable. Eye color is not affected by environmental factors other than colored contact lenses.
49 posted on 05/12/2005 11:56:54 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: little jeremiah

Genetic influenced behavior does not contradict free will.


50 posted on 05/12/2005 5:00:06 PM PDT by beavus
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So if anyone uses the word "homosexual" in any instance whatsoever, they are fixated?

When they keep bringing it up in unrelated contexts, yes, they are.

51 posted on 05/12/2005 5:03:02 PM PDT by beavus
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