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Microsoft, Tata Extend Their Telecom Outsourcing Partnership
Yahoo New ^ | Tue May 10, 3:49 PM ET

Posted on 05/11/2005 11:54:05 PM PDT by jb6

Microsoft is advancing its outsourcing partnership with India-based Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) to extend Microsoft's Connected Services Framework (CSF) to additional international locations.

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Microsoft Consulting Services unit has teamed up with TCS to deliver an integrated IT solution to BT (British Telecom) Retail that the providers view as a model for the outsourcing offerings it plans to offer globally, Microsoft said.

The companies noted that TCS operates a Microsoft Solutions Center in Hungary that serves customers in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. TCS has said that it likewise sees opportunities for the combined outsourcing effort in the Asia Pacific region.

"TCS is investing heavily in the infrastructure and resources to deliver solutions including Microsoft Connected Services Framework to telecommunications customers," said A. S. Lakshminarayanan, TSC vice president and country manager for UK and Ireland, in a statement.

The new drive by the Microsoft-TCS partnership centers on Microsoft's CSF server-based software solution that is aimed at telecommunications providers to address communications services across multiple networks and devices. The CSF approach is tailored for both wireless and wireline operators, Microsoft said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: billgates; business; china; economy; india; microsoft; outsourcing; sellingoutamerica

1 posted on 05/11/2005 11:54:05 PM PDT by jb6
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To: jb6
ITPAA.org - May 4, 2005 -

Tech Group Grants Weasel Award to Microsoft's Bill Gates

The IT Professionals Association of America (ITPAA) has awarded its second Weasel Award of 2005 to Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates for his recent remarks supporting the lifting of restrictions on the H-1b visa.

The Information Technology Professionals Association of America (ITPAA), an advocacy group based in Wilmington, Delaware representing professionals in the high-tech field has handed out its second Weasel Award of 2005 to Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates for his comments calling for the unrestricted importation of high-tech workers into the United States under the H-1b visa program. The organization, representing over 1,200 IT professionals nationwide, presents this award to business and political leaders that it believes betrays the trust of the American people.

Scott Kirwin, founder of the organization, states that Gates's comment only illustrates the "richest man leading the least innovative company wants to pay Third World wages in the United States".

"Microsoft tried offshoring work to Asia and that offshoring has failed," Kirwin says. He points to recent studies by Gartner and Deloitte Touche demonstrating that most offshoring projects fail to save money and often cost firms more. "So instead of sending the work to people making dirt, Gates wants to import people and pay them dirt to do the work here. It's not about having access to the 'best and the brightest' the world has to offer. For employers of H-1b visa holders like Microsoft it's about employing the poorest people in the world and paying them to stay that way."

When asked whether he is worried that politicians may grant Gates's demand Kirwin says, "H-1bs can't vote for [American politicians] but Americans can. They had better not forget that because we sure won't."

"Where is Bill Gates's allegiance?" Kirwin asks. "Only America could create a man like Bill Gates and a company like Microsoft, yet Gates seems ambivalent about America. He doesn't want to pay Americans decent salaries to work at Microsoft offices in the US. He employs thousands of engineers and programmers in India, a country that refused to send troops to Iraq. He opened up an R&D center in China, a nation that steals his software and threatens our allies Japan and Taiwan. Nations may no longer matter to the ultra-rich like Bill Gates, but they do to the rest of us."

Mr. Gates made the comments at a discussion held at the Library of Congress on Wednesday April 27, 2005.

"Studies have proven that H-1b workers make nearly half the salaries of the Americans they replace," Kirwin says, "So firms fire their American staff and hire the cheap labor. In the long run that they realize that they made a mistake because Americans are the most flexible thinkers and productive people on the planet, but by then the damage has been done. People out of work for months and even years. State budgets wrecked by increased welfare and unemployment payments. Families torn apart by financial distress."

"Gates is nothing but a bully. He has bullied software companies. He has bullied politicians. He has even bullied school districts," Kirwin says, citing Microsoft's anti-piracy campaign demanding huge sums for software licenses from cash-strapped public schools. "And now he thinks he can bully the unemployed. Talk about kicking people when they are down." Kirwin calls such statements "a blame-the-victim" strategy. "According to Gates American programmers deserve to be unemployed. How would he know? He doesn't employ any."

Kirwin bristles at Gates's assumption that American high-tech professionals don't have the skills desired by business. "Americans have the skills, but managers like Gates are too cheap to pay for them," he states. "Take education. Are graduates of MIT, Stanford and Caltech unskilled compared to grads from Chinese universities? Of course not, but the Chinese graduates don't finish with $100,000 of education debt that needs a decent wage to pay off. Or how about experience. American professionals are much more experienced than their foreign replacements." He points to an employee profile found on the website of Tata America, the American wing of the Indian offshoring service giant, showing over 93% of Tata's staff have less than 5 years experience in their fields and 52% less than two years. "It's nearly impossible for Americans to find a job with less than five years experience these days," Kirwin says.

"Numerous studies demonstrate Americans are the most productive and innovative people in the world," Kirwin asserts, "However Microsoft has never been interested in innovation or productivity."

Previous winners of the award include Van B. Honeycutt, Chairman of the Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC), for his outsourcing of jobs to India at taxpayer's expense, Richard D. Fairbank, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Capital One, for his closing of call centers in the USA to cut costs while receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in stock options, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D - NY) for her statements supporting outsourcing on a trip to India while publicly criticizing it at home.


2 posted on 05/11/2005 11:56:39 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: jb6
I had the "pleasure" of teaching a lot of TaTa "programmers" how to work on a project for a major telecom.

These folks were REALLY nice, and most of them were really smart in their respective areas. However, they had absolutely NO CLUE how to program in a logical and orderly fashion. A lot of them had business degrees from Indian universities.

Outsourcing is a waste of time since the Indians do not understand the American system of business and therefore have no ability to program a proper business process. A lot of companies are finding this out the hard way...
3 posted on 05/12/2005 12:22:04 AM PDT by politicket (We now live in a society where "tolerance" is celebrated at the expense of moral correctness.)
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To: politicket
A lot of companies are finding this out the hard way...

I have my doubts if they are finding anything out at all, for outsourcing seems to grow by the day.

4 posted on 05/12/2005 12:34:08 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I have my doubts if they are finding anything out at all, for outsourcing seems to grow by the day.

You see a lot of help desk outsourcing, but we're beginning to see an awareness on the part of companies regarding outsourcing business process engineering.

The Indians have no concept of the American business model and do very poorly when asked to program for it.

There are some Indian programmers that you can "throw a piece of the code" at, but even then there are numerous issues regarding language barriers, code stability, versioning, etc.
5 posted on 05/12/2005 1:02:18 AM PDT by politicket (We now live in a society where "tolerance" is celebrated at the expense of moral correctness.)
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To: ninenot; neutrino; A. Pole

bump


6 posted on 05/12/2005 7:26:00 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
"Are graduates of MIT, Stanford and Caltech unskilled compared to grads from Chinese universities? Of course not, but the Chinese graduates don't finish with $100,000 of education debt that needs a decent wage to pay off."

Free market bump!

7 posted on 05/12/2005 7:58:17 AM PDT by A. Pole (Ukrainian proverb: "Iak buly moskali, buv khlib na stoli, a iak bude Ukraina, bude bida po kolina")
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To: HAL9000

"Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D - NY) for her statements supporting outsourcing on a trip to India while publicly criticizing it at home."




Has Hillary ever expressed an opinion on anything without putting a finger in the air to see what way the wind was blowing?

What a damned hypocrite.


8 posted on 05/12/2005 12:13:17 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: jb6; Golden Eagle; Bush2000
Not to worry guys Bush2000, and GoldenEagle have told me MS loves the US and will never do anything that could hurt either the software sales, or job market...
9 posted on 05/12/2005 2:55:26 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

I don't think I ever said anything of the sort, there you go making up things again, just like your recent "bill gates wants to abort babies" blurt. All I've ever said is I prefer existing US software products like Unix, Microsoft and Apple, when compared to these freeware Linux copies that originated from overseas you keep pushing on us. If that means we disagree then fine, but you need to chill out and quit running around blurting out falsehoods like you are.


10 posted on 05/12/2005 3:04:16 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: HAL9000
Tech Group Grants Weasel Award to Microsoft's Bill Gates

While I didn't particularly care for his comments, at least he's trying to keep his base of operations here in the U.S., unlike some of these other companies that are not only offshoring in huge numbers, but selling entire divisions of their companies to the Chinese.

11 posted on 05/12/2005 3:31:02 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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