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Bills Could Grant Legality To 10 Million Immigrants
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 12, 2005 | Jerry Kammer

Posted on 05/12/2005 8:46:37 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds

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To: kingu
How many of us got our start in business by washing dishes, mowing a neighbors lawn, the construction trade, etc. No one gives a care how many are used to pick grapes, but if you talk to almost any builder, they'll sometimes be honest enough to explain how thousands of construciton jobs have gone to illegals.

I started by hanging ads on door knobs at 4 cents per door. I've literally walked to the front door of every single family home from the Mexican border to I-8 (N/S) and the Pacific ocean and Johnson Ave in El Cajon. I often started at 3 AM and worked all day long. That was 1972.

In 1973 I washed dishes, cooked, worked the fountain and waited tables at Farrell's Ice Cream Parlour. That's how I paid for my car and all the expenses during my senior year in high school. I made $1.45 per hour washing dishes. Cooking was paid $1.55. Waiter was $1.30 plus tips.

In 1976 I was carrying 16 units of graduate work in pathogenic bacteriology AND working 42 hours per week at Radio Shack. Radio Shack paid me minimum wage of $2.25 per hour plus sales commissions that varied by season. Not a fabulous income for a 19 year old graduate of UCSD with a degree in Molecular Biology. The RS job covered my books, car and food.

Roll forward to 2000. My #2 son wanted to work at a fast food place to earn money for his senior year. The jobs were filled by Mexicans and a variety of Asian minorities. No room for a white boy. My son was not deterred. He pressed hard on fluency in Spanish. That made the difference. He got hired in time to cover some of his senior year expenses.

Today, my #2 son exploits that Spanish fluency as a real estate agent. He runs an office in Chula Vista where the customer base is principally Spanish speakers. He will have his broker's license shortly and full run of the office.

In both cases, working the low end jobs was a way to cover early educational costs to get ahead. Many kids don't even have a shot at that anymore. The fast food places a full of Spanish speakers and senior citizens. The Spanish speakers don't wear a label of "legal" or "illegal". You can tell. The point is that the opportunity that was available when I was in high school has been usurped.

BTW, before I could take a job that paid on an hourly basis, I mowed lawns, raked leaves, shoveled snow and washed cars. My parents didn't provide an "allowance". Mowing the lawn, washing dishes and vacuuming the house was considered a "family responsibility". I was permitted to use the family lawn tools to work at other people's homes for pay. That was the sole source of my money as a kid.

121 posted on 05/12/2005 10:35:32 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
I worked construction (laborer) during summers in HS and college. It was a king's wage to me at that time.

That avenue is now closed off completely to our kids. Those are 100% "Mexican jobs" today.

122 posted on 05/12/2005 10:39:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: nosofar
We can't kick all of them out of the country nor can they remain forever illegal. Any solution will inevitably involve some kind of legalization.

We don't need to kick all of them out of the country. Instead, cut illegal aliens off from all taxpayer funded services while at the same time crack down hard on businesses that hire illegal aliens. With no jobs and no taxpayer funded freebies available to them, many illegal aliens will begin to voluntarily "deport" themselves back to their home countries. If there is a need for more foreign workers to fill jobs in the American workforce, we can increase the number of legal immigrants that we let in.

123 posted on 05/12/2005 10:40:20 AM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Scenic Sounds

Traitorous bastards.


124 posted on 05/12/2005 10:41:04 AM PDT by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: longtermmemmory
"McCain is an IDIOT."

Prior to this, that was merely our collective opinion; now, it is a fact

125 posted on 05/12/2005 10:41:25 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Scenic Sounds; HiJinx

This announcement has just decimated the populations of hundreds of Mexican cities, villages, and towns.


126 posted on 05/12/2005 10:43:27 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: lodwick

I second that - all in favor say "Hang them".


127 posted on 05/12/2005 10:44:35 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Travis McGee

Appears Jackel John has been sipping from the same flask as Krazy Kennedy.


128 posted on 05/12/2005 10:45:07 AM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: Myrddin
Before I could drive I mowed lawns and did babysitting. After I got my license I was a busboy in a upscale restaurant and made enough during the summer to help pay for my school clothes and paid for my insurance and gas. The jobs were great for several reasons but the most important, I learned how to work. Youngsters today do not get that opportunity and we all are the poorer for it.
129 posted on 05/12/2005 10:45:13 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: lemura
While it sounds nice contemplating sending 10m illegals home packing, it just isn't going to happen. (If for no other reason than to avoid grainy black/white documentary footage being shown in the Nazi WWII propagana style of homes being raided, moms/kids being cuffed, etc.)

Cut illegal aliens off from all jobs and all taxpayer funded services and no roundup of illegal aliens would be needed. They would start leaving on their own.

130 posted on 05/12/2005 10:46:14 AM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: texastoo

"$2000 a year would be the American dream."

I was thinking a one time tax of $2000.00, not annually.


131 posted on 05/12/2005 10:46:28 AM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

Bush will wait to gauge public reaction to the legislation before announcing his position on it.

The President wants to hear from us about all this. ;-)



Here's my letter:

Dear Mr. President,

I have supported you for President each time you ran for office. But now, I am greatly concerned that liberal forces within the GOP and all of the Democratic Party are preparing to seek an amnesty bill to grant legal status to 10 to 12 million ILLEGAL Hispanic immigrants. I strongly urge you to reject that approach! Veto that bill if and when it comes for your signature!

Please focus on sealing our borders with both Mexico and Canada by creating a cilivian corps like the recent Minutemen (who were NOT vigilantes as you said, but patriots doing what the Federal government needs to have done all along!) and call out the National Guard to aid the Border Patrol until the Border Patrol can be increased in size and retrained to truly protect all our borders. The INS needs a complete overhaul as well, Mr President. An part of the Homeland Security, there is a need to focus on finding and deporting current illegals as well as identifying employers of illegals. Those employers must face stiff fines and prison terms for using illegals in their companies.

Otherwise, Mr President, the US faces an even more divided country racially, culturally, and politically in the near future. Mexico's social and economic problems are not our problems. But they will continue to be if you continue to leave the borders open and grant amnesty to these hordes of illegal immigrants. Stop them NOW!


132 posted on 05/12/2005 10:51:50 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: azhenfud
This announcement has just decimated the populations of hundreds of Mexican cities, villages, and towns.

My very first thought after reading the first paragraph. I can't begin to count the number of times I've tried to tell people, Jim Kolbe included, that you absolutely must secure the border before you announce to the third world that we're going to legalize our illegals.

That's it, folks...game, match, set. Y'all better start learnin' to speak En Espanol real quick.

133 posted on 05/12/2005 10:51:58 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: Travis McGee

Assuming this insanity continues to be proposed in anything like its presently described form, we need to be sure to: (1) raise more hell than ever before through organizations like NUSA and FAIR, beginning right now; and (2) in whatever form both bills may ultimately arrive for a Senate/House conference, carefully record the vote of each one of our Washington crapweasels so that we know who they are and can begin donating to whoever opposes these traitors when they stand for reelection.


134 posted on 05/12/2005 10:53:15 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Mamzelle
Once they do have rights, the employers are going to want a fresh crop of illegals.

Most illegals and their criminal employers will just ignore any new law too.

135 posted on 05/12/2005 10:53:38 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: politicalwit

Either way, it is just a dream.


136 posted on 05/12/2005 10:54:49 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Scenic Sounds
"Bush will wait to gauge public reaction to the legislation before announcing his position on it.

The President wants to hear from us about all this."

And so he shall. Likewise, Sen. McSwine, the RNC and anyone else who I think (or any of you astute Freepers consider worthy of my time and effort) may be inclined to support this idiot legislation.

This could very well be the death knell of the Pubes.

Did I read/interpret the proposed language correctly with regards to the 6-year requirement and $2000 fee?

If so, we will be "charging" these illegal aliens approx. $1.09 per day for whatever services/benefits/handouts, etc., they were provided with, both at the state and fed level.

Not a bad deal, if you ask me! /sarc.

137 posted on 05/12/2005 10:58:11 AM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: Travis McGee
That avenue is now closed off completely to our kids. Those are 100% "Mexican jobs" today.

There are two rather large buildings under construction near my home. The framing and roofing workers are Mexican or local white meth addicts who can't get any other job. The major exception is the skilled labor doing plumbing and electrical that will be inspected by the city inspectors.

Pocatello doesn't have a large Mexican population yet. The fast food places are mostly the local high school kids from the majority white population. The population of Mexican laborers was seasonal a few years ago. Now we see them year round at Walmart and Winco Foods. The low riders with ridiculous hydraulics arrived last summer. The Mexican gang culture has found a following at the nearby Shoshone reserveration. The gang task force has identified around 300 active members on the reservation.

138 posted on 05/12/2005 10:58:47 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: All
It is too bad that another Kennedy-McLame idea even has a chance of passing Congress but as long as the House is divided into three camps, a far left immigration bill like this is the only thing that might actually get passed. All it would take is a few RINOs joining with the Democrats to slip it through.

Until Tancredo and his ilk stop holding up 99% of the immigration bills (Tancredo only wants his bills passed so he can indulge in his megalomania) in the House, nothing but a Democrat/RINO bill is going to get through. Just enough Republicans are drinking Tancredo's koolaid to divide the House and make a liberal bill the only type that can be passed.

139 posted on 05/12/2005 11:03:10 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: Travis McGee

Very good post at #92.


140 posted on 05/12/2005 11:04:19 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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