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Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy
NewsMax ^ | 5/12/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 05/12/2005 12:41:32 PM PDT by wagglebee

Here’s a story that will throw you for a loop: a "chaplain” at the U.S. Air Force Academy is complaining that the school’s administration has a "systemic and pervasive” problem of promoting religious religious values with a Christian bent.

The chaplain, Capt. Melinda Morton, a "Lutheran minister” spoke out publicly on Tuesday as an Air Force task force arrived at the academy to investigate charges that officers and staff members pushed their religious beliefs on cadets.

And she claimed that a tolerance program developed at the academy, called Respecting the Spiritual Values of all People (R.S.V.P.), was watered down after it was shown to officers.

Maj. Gen. Charles C. Baldwin, chief of chaplains for the Air Force, screened the 90-minute R.S.V.P. film in October, according to Capt. Morton, and asked her: "Why is it that the Christians never win?” in reaction to some of the program’s depictions of cadet interactions.

"Chaplain” Morton’s complaints about too much religion at the military academy is creating waves, and earned her hero status in a report in the New York Times Thursday.

Gen. Baldwin acknowledged in an interview that he felt too many scenes in the film portrayed Christians at fault for excessive evangelical proselytizing.

He also said he asked that the Air Force cut segments on non-Christian religions such as Buddhism, Judaism and Native American spirituality.

The problem in dealing with proselytizing and church-state issues at the academy, he explained, "always is, when is a person crossing the line, or when are they being a positive person of faith, like our president.”

Last year, the Colorado Springs academy invited Yale Divinity School professor Kristen Leslie and six Yale graduate students to visit the school and observe how the chaplains minister to the cadets.

A memo from the Yale team cited the "stridently evangelical themes” at a worship service attended by 600 new cadets.

Leslie said a chaplain urged cadets to pray for those who didn’t attend and "remind them of the consequences ... those not ‘born again will burn in the fires of hell.’”

But academy spokesman Johnny Whitaker disputed that account, saying several other chaplains told him that no one mentioned burning "in the fires of hell.”

Morton, a 48-year-old "Lutheran minister," said she was removed from her post as executive officer to the chief chaplain, Col. Michael Whittington, last week. She claimed the dismissal came after he pressured her to deny details of what happened at the religious service.

But Whitaker said Whittington sent Morton an e-mail on May 4 saying he was removing her "to ensure a smooth and complete transition” for new leaders.

Morgan said she had stepped forward because "it’s the Constitution, not just a nice rule we can follow or not follow. That includes not using your power to advance your religious agenda.”

She acknowledged that after speaking out, "I don’t think I have much future in the Air Force.”


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She acknowledged that after speaking out, "I don’t think I have much future in the Air Force.”

And hopefully no future as a Lutheran minister either.

1 posted on 05/12/2005 12:41:33 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place.


2 posted on 05/12/2005 12:43:16 PM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: wk4bush2004

Agreed. I think her agenda is getting in the way of her Christianity.


3 posted on 05/12/2005 12:44:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: wk4bush2004
Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place.

Or rabbis

4 posted on 05/12/2005 12:44:40 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: wk4bush2004
Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place.

DITTO

5 posted on 05/12/2005 12:45:11 PM PDT by mountn man
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To: wagglebee

Dollars to donuts she's a member of the N.C.C.


6 posted on 05/12/2005 12:45:42 PM PDT by Humidston (Rats = Party of DEATH)
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To: wagglebee
Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy

Well, I always thought he was more of the peaceful type and not a fighter anyway. I'm not sure he would want to be in the Air Force. :-)

7 posted on 05/12/2005 12:45:52 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: wagglebee; cyborg

"And finally, Jesus, I want to thank you for another beautiful day of life, and the opportunity to serve you in the United States Air Force, where I can continue my fight to remove all reference to you and the rest of the Trinity, and . . . "



ZOT


8 posted on 05/12/2005 12:45:54 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: af_vet_1981
Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place. Or rabbis

Or lesbians (hey, while we're on a role. *smile*)

9 posted on 05/12/2005 12:46:27 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: wagglebee

Someone needs to have a nice long career in the Air Force. I believe that there's an opening for base chaplain up at Elmendorf AFB in Alaska. I'm sure that her services would be needed up there for the remainder of her career or until she resigns.


10 posted on 05/12/2005 12:47:05 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Petronski

LOL!!! Wouldn't want to be flying next to that chaplain.


11 posted on 05/12/2005 12:47:54 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: wagglebee
Lutheran's believe in The Ten Suggestions!
12 posted on 05/12/2005 12:48:11 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: wagglebee

Me thinks this "chaplin" just likes wearing combat boots.


13 posted on 05/12/2005 12:48:26 PM PDT by Millee (So you're a feminist......isn't that cute??)
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To: wagglebee

Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy.

What if He won't go?


14 posted on 05/12/2005 12:48:29 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: wagglebee

I am glad that Jesus wasn't politically correct.....


15 posted on 05/12/2005 12:49:34 PM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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To: wagglebee

Dear Madam pastor:

Jesus did not come to bring peace to the world.

He wanted to find out who was worthy.


16 posted on 05/12/2005 12:50:08 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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To: wagglebee
A poll of Protestant clergymen conducted by sociologist Jeffrey Hadden revealed the following: 10,000 clergymen of whom 7,441 replied when asked if they accepted Jesus' physical resurrection as a fact: 51 percent of Methodists said 'No'; 35 percent of United Presbyterians said 'No’; 30 percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 33 percent of American Baptists said "No"; 13 percent of American Lutherans said ‘No'; 7 percent of Missouri Synod Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed in the virgin birth of Jesus: 60 percent of Methodists said "No.' 44 percent of Episcopalians said No." 49 percent of Presbyterians said "No." 34 percent of Baptists said "No." 19 percent of American Lutherans said "No.” 5percent of Missouri Synod Lutherans said "No."

When asked if they believed that the Scriptures are the inspired and inerrant Word of God in faith, history, and secular matters: 87 percent of Methodists said 'No.' 95 percent of Episcopalians said 'No." 82 percent of Presbyterians said "No." 67 percent of American Baptists said "No." 77 percent of American Lutherans said "No." 24 percent of Missouri Synod Lutherans said "No."

Point: even many "theologians" are unsound re basic Christian principles.

17 posted on 05/12/2005 12:50:10 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: wagglebee

A few years back I worked with a kid who was attending school to become a minister. I was suprised when he told me that he was a "pessimistic agnostic". Now I understand the goal of his kind.


18 posted on 05/12/2005 12:50:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: righttackle44

LOL


19 posted on 05/12/2005 12:50:26 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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To: wagglebee

It's a funny thing how when someone doesn't agree with you the Constitution is always trotted out............this Chaplin is a Progressive - always remember that the Lord is constant...she can't have it both ways.


20 posted on 05/12/2005 12:50:51 PM PDT by yoe
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To: wk4bush2004

"Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place."

Amen. This illustrates why.


21 posted on 05/12/2005 12:50:52 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (If you are not fishin you're just fritterin away your life.)
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To: wagglebee

This woman looks so much like a dike.

22 posted on 05/12/2005 12:50:58 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: LouAvul

Who are these "American Baptists"? I'm guessing that isn't the Southern Baptist Convention.


23 posted on 05/12/2005 12:52:09 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: wagglebee

So why did she bother becoming a chaplain anyway? This just doesn't add up.


24 posted on 05/12/2005 12:52:39 PM PDT by shekkian
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To: wagglebee
How about:
Christ wants Chaplain out of Air Force

25 posted on 05/12/2005 12:52:39 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: wagglebee
Leslie said a chaplain urged cadets to pray for those who didn’t attend and "remind them of the consequences ... those not ‘born again will burn in the fires of hell.’”

That's a manufactured quote if I ever read one.

26 posted on 05/12/2005 12:52:57 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: cripplecreek

That's like getting on a plane and hearing the pilot say that he doesn't have a clue how to fly.


27 posted on 05/12/2005 12:53:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Is there anyone left in this world (like me) that can go their entire life without needing that fleeting moment of infamy? ;)


28 posted on 05/12/2005 12:53:32 PM PDT by G.Mason ( Save the Republic from the shallow, demagogic sectarians.)
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To: wagglebee
Morgan said she had stepped forward because "it’s the Constitution, not just a nice rule we can follow or not follow.

Too bad she doesn't feel the same about the bible.

29 posted on 05/12/2005 12:53:51 PM PDT by Godzilla (History teaches us that we never learn from history.)
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To: wk4bush2004; wagglebee; little jeremiah

<< Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place. >>

They aren't.

If one is called "pator" it but changes the definition of the word "pastor" to include whatever the Hell it is she is!

Bit like calling what male and female faggots simulate with one another "sex" or -- God forbid -- "love" or "marriage."


30 posted on 05/12/2005 12:54:19 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: LouAvul

I'm surprised that LCMS pastors were so negative on the Scriptures.


31 posted on 05/12/2005 12:54:44 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: LouAvul

That proves the fact that a lot of them are unfit for their jobs.


32 posted on 05/12/2005 12:54:59 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrat = Fat, drunk and stupid is a hell of a way to go through life)
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To: LouAvul
I'm thinking that poll should have checked with Southern Baptists. I've yet to attend a Southern Baptist church where there was any doubt About the resurrection, virgin birth, or the inspired status of the scriptures.
33 posted on 05/12/2005 12:55:17 PM PDT by Stonedog (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's difficult to pronounce.)
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To: shekkian
So why did she bother becoming a chaplain anyway? This just doesn't add up.

Hell, our schools are full of teachers who can't read and write, this is the same thing.

34 posted on 05/12/2005 12:55:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

"" Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy ""

She'd be better to get the Hell outta there!


35 posted on 05/12/2005 12:55:30 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: LouAvul

Too many people join the Clergy for money and power not because they believe in Christ.


36 posted on 05/12/2005 12:55:46 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." AYN RAND)
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To: bahblahbah

AHHHHHHH! A Beast!!


37 posted on 05/12/2005 12:55:57 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrat = Fat, drunk and stupid is a hell of a way to go through life)
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To: LouAvul

Sir. I don't believe your poll. Please give your reference.


38 posted on 05/12/2005 12:56:37 PM PDT by encm(ss) (A Bible believing LCMS Lutheran)
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To: wideawake
I'm surprised that LCMS pastors were so negative on the Scriptures.

If they don't believe the Bible then what the hell are they basing their ministry on? Walden?

39 posted on 05/12/2005 12:56:38 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: wagglebee

"complaining that the school’s administration has a "systemic and pervasive” problem of promoting religious religious values"

Virtues like fidelity, charity and compassion?


40 posted on 05/12/2005 12:57:20 PM PDT by Spok (Everything I know about intolerance I learned from a liberal.)
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To: wk4bush2004

Right on! The Bible speaks clearly to this issue.


41 posted on 05/12/2005 12:58:38 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: wagglebee

AFA starts sensitivity training (03/30/05)

Respect for religious diversity is emphasized

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"The issue is not about religion," said Chaplain Capt. Melinda Morton, who led the training. "It's about respecting everyone's right to believe as they choose."

That's essential in an environment dominated by power hierarchies, she said, because cadets can perceive they'd score points by adopting an instructor's or military leader's religious beliefs.

Laws and policies mandate equal opportunity regardless of religious affiliation - a tenet imperative to carrying out the mission, she said.


42 posted on 05/12/2005 12:59:41 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Christ was called the "Prince of Peace", and he said the meek will inherit the earth, but he also knew there was a place for war.

He said something like "Think not that I have come to bring peace on earth, I bring not peace but a sword".

43 posted on 05/12/2005 1:02:02 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Spktyr

Elmendorf is nice. She should go to Thule, Greenland.


44 posted on 05/12/2005 1:03:49 PM PDT by pgyanke (The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God.)
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To: TexasCajun

Excuse me?


45 posted on 05/12/2005 1:05:05 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: wagglebee
That harlot is apparently associated with the infamous Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ECLA). Otherwise known as the church of the holy abortion.

ELCA press release (search for Melinda Morton)

If you want to read something really offensive to anyone who knows, loves and serves Christ Jesus, read this link.

ELCA Social Statement on Abortion

46 posted on 05/12/2005 1:06:15 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: pgyanke

Isn't there some Air Force installation in Antarctica, now that I think about it?


47 posted on 05/12/2005 1:06:22 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Petronski
ZOT

LOL!

48 posted on 05/12/2005 1:06:32 PM PDT by American Quilter
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To: wagglebee

Lutheran-in-name-only...


49 posted on 05/12/2005 1:07:09 PM PDT by Luircin (Conservatives want to turn losers into winners. Liberals want them to feel good about being losers.)
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To: wagglebee

Morton was teaching an RSVP — Respecting the Spiritual Values of all People — class, a 50-minute exercise in trying to stop what critics called a culture of intolerance on campus. Over the last four years, there have been 55 complaints of insensitivity, many dealing with alleged harassment of religious minorities by evangelical Christians.

Cadets and employees are being told they can't proselytize on campus, use government e-mail to send religious messages, put up posters with religious themes or use positions of authority to endorse a particular faith. They must also attend one RSVP class.

About 90% of cadets here are Christian and many of them, as well as teachers and high-ranking officers, are evangelical.

Academy Commandant Brig. Gen. Johnny Weida is a self-described born-again Christian. Last year, football coach Fisher DeBerry hung a banner in the athletic complex that said, "I am a Christian first and last … I am a member of Team Jesus Christ." He later removed it and underwent sensitivity counseling.


http:///www.tinyurl.com/b5pnw


50 posted on 05/12/2005 1:07:30 PM PDT by kcvl
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