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SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!
AERO-NEWS Network ^ | May 13, 2005 | Kevin R.C. "Hognose" O'Brien

Posted on 05/13/2005 2:03:47 AM PDT by LukeSW

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As I have commented elsewhere, the sorry spectacle was pure, unadulterated PARANOIA. This author puts things in a bit of perspective and represents the views of many of us in the aerospace industry

By the way, one of the clearest lessons potential terrorists could take from the events in D.C. would be how easy it is to create a mass diversion to set the stage for a real attack: In other words, get everyone hyperventilating and running around like idiots over a small airplane, dashing into the subways and tunnels of D.C. and then ....

1 posted on 05/13/2005 2:03:48 AM PDT by LukeSW
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To: LukeSW

Bull! Even a C-150 could carry something really bad.

The instructor pilot should never be in command of an airplane again..


2 posted on 05/13/2005 2:12:27 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: LukeSW

***"For every action, an identical and hyperbolic overreaction."***

Now that's funny.


3 posted on 05/13/2005 2:12:54 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: LukeSW

Freak out over a plane that can do minimal damage, including explosives, and ignore huge trucks that can carry literal tons of high explosives almost to the doorstep of any government building.


4 posted on 05/13/2005 2:13:48 AM PDT by Crazieman (If Con is the opposite of Pro, what is the opposite of Progress?)
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To: LukeSW
A Cessna 150 does not a warplane make.

A Boeing 767 does not a warplane make either Fool!!!

How much anthrax can a Cessna 150 carry?

5 posted on 05/13/2005 2:16:56 AM PDT by konaice
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To: LukeSW
Re the FO comment... Many gung ho heros here were calling the pilots all kinds of names etc and were willing to have shot them down. These people need to know how often top of the line airline crews become "confused" and make horrible mistakes.

These mistakes include landing at the wrong airport. All one has to do is check past FAA records for such. Pilot heros that have never made mistakes are kidding themselves, it happens.

6 posted on 05/13/2005 2:20:14 AM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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To: Crazieman; LukeSW
Where do we draw the line?

Cessna, Beechcrafts or Lear?
Turbo props or jets?
Gross weight or wingspans?

Granted most incursions are harmless, but if a scenario is outside parameters, then what?

8 posted on 05/13/2005 2:27:52 AM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: Eat-Mo-Possum

And a boy terrorist flew a plane into a FL building.


9 posted on 05/13/2005 2:29:06 AM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: LukeSW
Stopped reading after this:

Shame On The Security Establishment ..in the first place, for being unable to distinguish between a real threat and a bogus one. The physics of the Cessna 150 make it an improbable terror weapon.

And I wonder what his reaction would have been if security personnel didn't "overreact" and we found out too late that the improbable terror weapon was filled with something like anthrax (which is a very real possibility). Some people are just never satisfied; you take precautions against a catastrophe and you are being silly, don't take precautions and a catastrophe happens and you are at incompetent.

The security personnel in this situation acted very reasonably and should be commended, not ridiculed.

10 posted on 05/13/2005 2:29:38 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: LukeSW

Isn't the fact that it was a Cessna 150 a bit of hindsight here? My understanding is that nobody knew what it was until the F-16's got up there to take a look. IIRC, the plane had no transponder and the pilots were not responding to hails.


12 posted on 05/13/2005 2:38:38 AM PDT by Nick Danger (Honey, Intel wants to go outside)
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To: endthematrix
Trying to defend against all possibilities is impossible and fruitless. Becoming trigger happy is not a solution.

The possibilities of crashing into the Whitehouse are so great that one has to accept that there is a risk to life.

Minimize, yes. Hysterical reaction, no.

13 posted on 05/13/2005 2:40:56 AM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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I think you have your incursions mixed up. A German kid landed his Cessna at the Kremlin after waltzing in from Germany.

14 posted on 05/13/2005 2:41:53 AM PDT by Nick Danger (Honey, Intel wants to go outside)
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To: LukeSW
A Cessna 150 does not a warplane make.
Oh, really? Not even with anthrax, or sarin, or ricin, or whatever?

And what about probes, testing our defenses?

I saw an interview with one of the F16 pilots yesterday and he was absolutely calm and rational and in the intervew he calmly and rationally related the calm and rational actions he took, under calm and rational orders. It was all by-the-book.

I would trust that pilot with my life. I wouldn't trust the writer of this anti-defence hysteria with my car. He'd probably leave the keys in the ignition in the parking lot.

15 posted on 05/13/2005 3:00:02 AM PDT by samtheman
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I was just notified that no one was in the FAA DC Command Center at the time of the incursion. MSM is reporting...CBS?


16 posted on 05/13/2005 3:01:01 AM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix

D.C. in Dark While Plane Was Intercepted
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/12/AR2005051201614.html

I'm posting the thread now.


17 posted on 05/13/2005 3:03:12 AM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix

Having had friends that worked in the Command Center in the past, I find this difficult to believe.


18 posted on 05/13/2005 3:04:43 AM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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The finger pointing begins. Two SNAFU's:


1. "At police headquarters, someone had disconnected a phone line that would have provided emergency communications from the Federal Aviation Administration, the officials said."


2. "Sgt. Guy Poirier was stationed Wednesday at the Homeland Security Operations Center, along with members of other local, state and federal agencies. He was in a room with law enforcement officials who do not have high-security clearance. Federal authorities with such clearances, stationed in another room, reported monitoring the actions starting at 11:28 a.m. But Ramsey said that they did not share information with Poirier."


19 posted on 05/13/2005 3:14:16 AM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: LukeSW
The plane was capable of carrying biological weapons of immense destructive power. A single letter killed people and destroyed property not too long ago right here in my town and where I worked.

The rule is for planes to stay away from the White House, etc. a certain distance.

Except that the plane would likely have crashed and burned in my neighborhood, serious consideration should have been made to taking it out when it violated the airspace and refused to communicate.

There is a war on. Unfortunately we are not able to restrict the impacts of that war to the folks who deny it exists. If we could, we would.

20 posted on 05/13/2005 3:17:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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