Teens seek debate vs. Limbaugh

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | KATE N. GROSSMAN Education Reporter

[small voice in the wilderness]

one hand tied behind his back. In a recliner. Holding an adult beverage and making smoke rings with his Hoya. Agreeing to having his questions asked in the form of ancient greek pig-latin yiddish mime text. And spotting them 99 points out of 100. But please, Rush. Say yes. This is probably the first real Life's Lesson they will have been taught. Gawd knows it's long overdue.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

From the CS Monitor article LINKED in Post #5.

***....It's not surprising that the school has strong participation in Model United Nations, or that, long after their sophomore "global perspectives" year, some students talk about getting daily updates from The New York Times and BBC World News......***

[VRWCmember]

"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said.

Yes, Sarah's statement is pretty inane. Rush might be a little intimidated because of what she doesn't know.

[CSM]

"Was he quoting the CSM article?"

I don't right no articles!

BTW, Rush would win with half his brain tied behind his back.

[cartan]

"...then we'd prove him wrong and open up his opinion a little bit," Sarah Loeb, an ETHS sophomore...

Yeah, right. More sophomores willing to educate the rest of us -- that's what the world needs.

[Patrick1]

I note for the record. That in the article not one student was able to tell us who Hitler was.

[Finalapproach29er]

This makes Rush's point. They are learning about other global cultures but not US history.

Globalist crap for the the one-world future.

[zerosix]

Proving Rush's points - these children are only taught a "multi-culturalist" view of American History, World History, etc., etc., etc.

A preferred debate would be between their so-called "teachers" at that or any American Public School!

[skinkinthegrass]

note to Students..DON'T DO IT....Your instructors/teachers/"the local NEA chapter" are going to be very very Embarrassed.

[funkywbr]

Man they seem to know a lot about history, all except American History!~}

[skinkinthegrass]

we don't know which version of History would be debated - reality or the liberal version. Second, would any rebuttal by Rush simply be considered hate speech and ignored as an example of the politics of personal destruction.

Ahhh...TRUE....first, Determine "the grounds" (Sun Tzu)/Rules/Benchmarks of the debate.

[Sgt_Schultze]

I'm not seeing the "up" side here for Rush. If he assents to debate, the students will gear-up for it as if it were the SAT's. The instructors will divide the students into specialties - different periods, where they will each be responsible for specific knowledge.

The debate would quickly deteriorate into a barrage of dates and locations. As you know, history knowledge is most easily demonstrated by one's ability to recall events and the dates when they occurred - they are also the most easily verifiable. Any news report would be allotted three-minutes, tops, and the newsreader would assess points won by tallying easily verifiable knowledge.

Rush would easily win in expository form by uttering not a single umm, ahh, ya know, like or totally, but he would never be able to compete with tag-team regurgitation. PC kids are especially good at delivering the answer they have been programmed to deliver.

[cartan]

"This is a perfect teachable moment," Becker said. "Kids are angry

Perhaps you could start by teaching them that nobody gives a damn about their feelings.

and want to respond by showing they know a lot,

Perhaps you could teach them that nobody gives a damn about what they think, either, until they know even more.

that it's not a zero-sum game,

That what is not a zero-sum game? It would be nice if you could start teaching kids that the economy is not a zero-sum game. Once they understand this, there will be considerably fewer left-wing sophomores for starters.

that you can learn about more than one history."

Just like you've taught them that there is more than one truth, eh?

[rabidralph]

and has several clubs with an international flavor, including Model United Nations and Amnesty International.

What? No Marine Expeditionary Force? No SEAL Teams? Those groups all have an international flavor.

[itsahoot]

BTW, Rush would win with half his brain tied behind his back.

You might be surprised. I saw Rush go head to head with Phil Donahue, and that commie Russian news caster, that used to appear with Phil all the time, and they had Rush on defense most of the show.

[KC_Conspirator]

Little $hitheads.

[Wallace T.]

The principal problem with the breeding of the next generation of the liberal elite is that they will be less competent in running universities, businesses, foundations, etc., then their Baby Boomer parents were. Those parents are in turn less competent than their GI Generation parents. Neither these young people nor their parents and grandparents are conservatives. However, the standards of education, including the ability to reason, have steadily deteriorated. A liberal in the New Deal era still retained great respect for the classic "Great Books" and Aristotelian logic. The postmodern liberal regards the classics and logic as oppressive tools of white males. In addition, elites tend to become less competent as generations pass, as attested to by the old adage, "Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations." You do not necessarily need a capitalist system to prove this adage correct. Brezhnev and Gorbachev were markedly less effective than Lenin, and probably less intelligent as well.

The good news is that the liberal elite will probably not have the brains or discipline to retain power past the middle of this century. The bad news is that advocates of traditional morality lack a separate hierarchy of colleges, foundations, and media sufficient to replace the old elite.

[EmilyGeiger]

Oh how stupid! Yeah this really teaches them about history.

[7thson]

My money's not only on Rush, but I would bet on myself. Hell, I would bet nearly any Freeper knew more than they.

Just to test them out, since they are from a large Jewish community, I would ask them if they knew what a Kapo is? Then I would go into simple dates - DDay, bombing of Pearl Harbor, etc. Then I would ask them about the Soviet-Nazi pact and what the impact was. Then I would ask them about military leaders, than world leaders.

[xp38]

Some very simple questions to ask students about WW II.

Name the major powers involved and which side they were on. (Germany, Italy, Japan, USSR, USA, Great Britain, France)

In fact name the two sides. (Axis powers, Allied Forces)

Name the major powers leaders for most of the war. (Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, De Gaulle for the Free French after France fell).

Now a slightly tougher question....which side did the following countries fight on or were neutral? Brazil (allies), Spain (neutral), Ireland (neutral), Switzerland (neutral), Canada (allies), Australia (allies), India (allies), China (allies)?

How many recent high school students could answer these simple questions?