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1 posted on 05/13/2005 8:11:11 AM PDT by azhenfud
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Border Ping


2 posted on 05/13/2005 8:13:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: azhenfud

The 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution confers citizenship upon “All person born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, …” This second condition is universally overlooked in discussions about immigration and newborns.

Paragraph three, Section 2, Article III of the Constitution gives the Congress authority to make exceptions and regulations restricting the U.S. Supreme Court’s jurisdiction.

The responsible position, it would appear, is to encourage readers to lobby Congress for legislation that rests on these provisions of the Constitution and denies citizenship for children born in this country of illegal immigrant parents – people who have not subjected themselves, nor their offspring, to the jurisdiction of U.S. law and therefore not qualified for citizenship and the myriad benefits thereof. How can a newborn be considered a citizen when he is here illegally? Soft headed reasoning has conferred this much sought after status on countless thousands, encouraging all the more countless thousands to seek entry to this country by any means so their offspring can gain them access to our soft headed social benefits and take advantage of what law-abiding immigrants wait years for as they subject themselves to our laws.

Let us strive to become, once again, of nation ruled by law rather than be man. People in positions of power tend to corrupt the law as it restricts their actions by the same authority it secures our liberty.


3 posted on 05/13/2005 8:14:32 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
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On the one hand, I agree, deport illegal aliens, kids or no kids. However, given the fact the kids are US citizens coupled with thhe fact that trying to deport the parents of American citizens would be almost impossible in today's political climate...I'm not sure what the answer is...(other than seal the friggin border so they don't get here in the first place).


4 posted on 05/13/2005 8:15:48 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: azhenfud

excellent point: since the libs have denegrated the second amendment without qualms, why cant the 14th suffer the same fate?

the issue of "anchor babies" is very hot, although it is currently in the background behind stopping the government - both elected and unelected - of aiding the invasion in order to increase the balance sheets of construction companies, food service companies, etc.

"anchor babies" will continue to rise as another flaw in the immigration law - CAN A CRIMINAL ELIMINATE HIS CRIMINALITY BY RELYING ON AN INNOCENT THIRD PARTY?


5 posted on 05/13/2005 8:18:30 AM PDT by Zrob (freedom without lies)
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To: azhenfud
Now, if the legislatures of both federal and state governments had a desire to stop illegal aliens from complicating the normal legal process of deportation, provisions requiring at least one parent to document their legal residency at the time of applying for a child's birth certificate should be enacted immediately.

I’m not sure that’s necessary. In fact, I’m pretty sure it isn’t necessary.

As evidence I’ll point out the San Leandro Unified School District where they had some sort of teacher’s aide that was illegal and had been working there 15 years or so. Her husband was also illegal, as was at least one child.

They had been in the U.S. for 18 years or something and had failed to try and take advantage of the last “legalization” gimmick.

In the meantime they had two (?) children while they lived here that were considered U.S. citizens.

It was a mess but to make a long story short they deported their butts – or it sure looked like deportation was in the bag the last I heard of it.

If they can deport someone like that from San Leandro, CA, I think it’s pretty safe to say they can deport them from pretty much anywhere.

7 posted on 05/13/2005 8:21:36 AM PDT by Who dat?
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The US has ignored this problem for too long, past the point of no return. There are almost 30 million illegal immigrants in the country and increasing. Almost a quarter of Mexico’s interior population has crossed the border illegally against international and US law. Half of the California population is now illegal immigrants or children of immigrants, with the lion’s share of these parents probably who were to illegal too, therefore the numbers of illegal incidents in this country are much higher than 30 million.

Illegal immigration and the increasing population by their anchor babies has turned the tide now to where they represent the majority vote in many us communities. The city of Los Angles will elect its first Hispanic mayor soon, Villaraigosa. While many of the smaller towns in CA have already adopted Hispanic city councils who are staunch anti American.

This a county of immigrants, and the Hispanic culture is not the problem, but when these politicians whom are well connected with the Mexican government get into us office they have frequently abused their power to erode US laws of civility. For example Villaraigosa once was president of an ACLU chapter, has voted against tough penalties for Latino gang memers, and rejected harsh penalty for sex offenders, which illustrate Hispanics who are being voted in by a population that entered the country illegally are about as far left as one can get.

California politicians now and are passing laws to represent the constitutes of Mexico, such as in state tuition, free health care, education, subsidized, housing utilities and insurance for Mexican nationals residing illegally here in the US. The problem with this type of politics is they do not represent the US constituents, and once in office their agenda is to legalize the invasion from Mexico, to increase there voting power and their far left socialist agenda.

The Constitution was meant to protect US citizens and democracy, but by allowing the 14th amendment’s anchor babies who are hungry for free transfer of US wealth to their families; the constitution has left the door wide open for socialism and the death of democracy.


10 posted on 05/13/2005 8:45:54 AM PDT by seastay
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"Illegal Aliens' Children and the Fourteenth Amendment"

There was a lot of sentiment a few years back about having someone challenge the constitutionality of giving the newborns of illegal aliens American citizenship. All it would take is challenging one baby born and taking the legality to court.

This should still be done. If done in a region where the first few judges were not liberals, it would become a huge media issue and would rally most Americans to the side of "fairness," meaning, if you're here illegally then your children shouldn't automatically become citizens.

And if the SCOTUS ultimately ruled in favor of the illegals, then there just might be enough sentiment for a Constitutional Amendment.

But don't expect a single politican to touch the issue.

14 posted on 05/13/2005 9:01:18 AM PDT by tom h
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If we were invaded and occupied by a foreign army -- say, China or the old Soviet Union -- and the soldiers and their camp followers had children here during the occupation, would ANYONE even THINK about recognizing the children of the occupation forces as "citizens" when the war was over? Of course not -- they'd be sent home with their parents.


15 posted on 05/13/2005 9:04:09 AM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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There is debate continuing to surface over America's Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee that everyone born on U.S. soil be granted U.S. citizenship.

1. 'US soil' is Washington, DC, not the 'states'. (US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, clause 17)

2. the 14th Ammendment does nothing except say citizens of the United States are also residents of the State of Virginia.

3. securing the borders is a FEDERAL enumerated power. The Feds can stop them at the border, but if they pass the border into a State, the Feds NO LONGER HAVE JURISICTION unless they can prove some sort of documentation (expired visa, etc) or 'crime' (under natural law) has been commited.

4. There is NO WAY the federal government will EVER admit it has no authority outside Washington DC!

They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please ... Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.
Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on National Bank, 1791

"The constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
--Patrick Henry

"When all government, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the Center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."
– Thomas Jefferson

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others.
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 17, 1782

16 posted on 05/13/2005 9:04:46 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am not a legal entity, nor am I a *person* as defined and/or created by 'law'!!)
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ping


22 posted on 05/13/2005 9:49:03 AM PDT by gubamyster
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Excellent piece on this:

Creating the Ultimate Magnet School.

Plyler v. Doe: The Root of All Evil.

If there was ever a single event that has contributed to the explosion of illegal immigration in our country it was the 1982 Supreme court decision that made it mandatory for every state in the union to educate every single child of criminally illegal immigrants no matter the cost, conditions of their entry, justification or the resources necessary to accomplish this indignation by judicial fiat.

In September 1977 a class action suit was filed on behalf of school-aged children of illegal Mexican immigrants who were residing in Smith County, Texas. See Plyler v. Doe,457 U.S. 202, 206 (1982) The action complained of the “exclusion” of the plaintiff children from the public schools of the Tyler Independent School District. 457 U.S. at 206.[1]

Here's the upshot: The reason that these children were "excluded" is because they were in this country illegally. It was a no-brainer. The supposedly sovereign State of Texas was no longer going to foot the bill for these ultimate “magnet" school; free public education for illegal aliens. So the Texas legislature, on behalf of the People of the state of Texas, passed a law saying just that. And the Supreme court reversed it.

[CLICK to continue...]

23 posted on 05/13/2005 9:54:08 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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The Federal Courts can interpret the Constitution any way they want. All it takes is one Federal judge (or 5 Supreme Court Justices if it get that far), to declare that children born of Illegal Aliens are not automatically citizens pf the US.


25 posted on 05/13/2005 9:57:24 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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BTTT


26 posted on 05/13/2005 10:01:28 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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See how the rules of the Second Amendment can be easily modified? Why not clarify the Fourteenth to reflect the true intentions behind its conception?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1400926/posts


32 posted on 05/13/2005 10:33:44 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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Mexico encourages mothers to be to head to the border,
especially if their birth is going to be complicated the government of Mexico is not willing to pay for it nor do the expectant parents have the money.

However our elected officials take it upon themselves to spend our tax dollars on such non profitable ventures as paying for illegal aliens' birthing.

While our own citizens are handed a big screw job and expected to not only pay for their own medical care, but pay again for the indigent parasites when their own country doesn't give a care about them.

If we resist, we are deemed zenephobe and racist. I have grown very tired of their racist comments and so forth and so on. It has gotten very old for me.

The entire thing is extremely profitable for Mexico, as their families who stay here send money home to the tune of several billion dollars annually. That is the large sucking sound that was referred to in a past election, by a candidate who withdrew, but he was correct. There is of course more to it than just the money being sent home. Our jobs are leaving and so on. The result will be America a third world nation.

It is not Bush's fault alone. It is all previous presidents combined since 1960. We will not care for our own. We will pay a dear price for this non caring. No one will return the favors to us.


34 posted on 05/13/2005 10:36:17 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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The U.S. government-assisted invasion of America is the reason this rule should no longer apply. We can't support the whole third world, and that is what is happening against the will of America.


37 posted on 05/13/2005 10:53:27 AM PDT by janetgreen (Minuteman Project = American Patriotism)
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The time to clarify may be needed now more than ever before.

Why should congress clarify anything? They are getting exactly what they want - millions upon millions of illegals for the American citizens to take care of through higher and higher taxes. Plus, Congress is being bought off by Mexican lobbyists who are paying good money to them to commit treason against their own country.

39 posted on 05/13/2005 11:48:46 AM PDT by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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Children of illegal aliens are not citizens under the 14th Amendment.
40 posted on 05/13/2005 12:03:22 PM PDT by MRMEAN (Nuke the border!)
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I couldn't care less about the niceties and subtleties involved. The anchor baby issue needs to be resolved as quickly as possible (while not neglecting all of the other illegal alien issues either).


47 posted on 05/13/2005 6:31:41 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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You know that a child born of American soldiers in Germany--on an American base--has to apply for Naturalized Citizenship to be a citizen of the USA?

Germany will, forever, consider that child a citizen of Germany, by the way.


48 posted on 05/13/2005 6:34:20 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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