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To: GMMAC

I have reached the same conclusion albeit not as eloquent! But there is an undeniable truth in the arguement that you cannot be an economic conservative and a social liberal at the same time. They are in the end mutually exclusive and as such cannot be reconciled since the rationale for social liberalism is predicated on state imposed, social engineering that would not have grown organically in our culture/society. I would further the case that many socially liberal agendas run counter to the prevailing social traditions/norms and are in effect adversarial to the prevailing social order and a huge economic cost to the rest of society. This exercise in sophistry by the political elites ie Liberals and/or CINO's in our country is nothing more than the marxist two step being played out, of having those who have pay for those who don't. Controlling the means of production and denying private ownership of those means is the end goal. Socialism is an incedious beast and the only way to do so is to deny the state the power to impose it's coercive power over us. Canada I'm afraid may be too far down "the road to serfdom" to bring it back. The end result is the break up of this once proud nation. Too bad!


4 posted on 05/13/2005 9:01:01 AM PDT by bubman
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To: bubman
If anyone still hasn't read this article and viewed its linked video, they should and then rightly circulate it to every Canadian they know!
Martin is exposed as an outright sociopath!
5 posted on 05/13/2005 9:24:11 AM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: bubman

For conservatism to work, the wealthy must be reintroduced to the concept of morality and duty, in particular Noblesse Oblige (benevolent, honorable behavior considered to be the responsibility of persons of high birth or rank.)

In my county, more than 30% of the children live below the poverty line and more than 54% in low income households as defined by the federal giovernment. A society cannot afford to have its future potential handicapped by poor diet, health, illiteracy and abuse and expect to survive. The wealthy have to voluntarily redirect money, assets (like their education, skills, influence) and time to building community and individual capacity so that people can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. That recycling of the economy is necessary to ensure its health through a stable distribution of wealth among classes.

So many times foundations give an organization within a poor community a grant then expect them to become sustainable off donations by the local community. Get real, these communities do not have the educational, financial, skill capital to do that. That is why the government teat has become plugged in. Until investment is made in building capacity, change will not happen so that the communities can participate and competitively compete in the benefits of a free market economy.

All we are getting now is a greater and greater chasm between the haves and have nots/alienated which, history has shown, will blow up at some point.


6 posted on 05/13/2005 9:28:59 AM PDT by marsh2
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