"A frustrated Ickes said he knows labor needs to change, he's just not sure how."
These Dem consultants ignore the fact that the people flocking to many of these 'Megachurches' have the moral values NOT supported or endorsed by the Democrat Party.
Schadenfreude........Julie
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To: JulieRNR21
I'm sure a pro-abort leader will play well in the megachurches. Riiiiiiiight.
2 posted on
05/14/2005 11:06:13 AM PDT by
Dan from Michigan
(Don't blame me, I voted for Rocky)
To: Smartass; MeekOneGOP; Joe Brower; tame; bray; Howlin; StarFan; Mo1; JohnHuang2; PhiKapMom; ...
Infuential Democrat Harold Ickes (FOB) is 'frustrated' over decline of influence of Labor Unions.......PING
3 posted on
05/14/2005 11:08:18 AM PDT by
JulieRNR21
(Tell Senators to stop judicial filibuster....using FREE number: 1-877-762-8762)
To: JulieRNR21
I wonder if any of the Unions woes come from Republican members of unions getting a damned bellyfull of their Union disenfranchising them by always voting for Democrats. I know mine disgusted me this way and their Pac can kiss my rosy red azz.
To: JulieRNR21
People flocking to the megachurches are Joe Sixpack regular guys who are the children and grandchildren of New Deal Democrats and the greatgrandchildren of Williams Jenning Bryan Populists. They are not at all laissez faire libertarian types.
They are very open to an economic populist appeal.
And those whooping the decline of organized labor should take note that NAFTA and CAFTA and H1Bs are direct results of the diminished power of organized labor to fight for American workers. Would these things happen in the days of Reuther and Meany and Hoffa ?
To: JulieRNR21
Villifying American corporations might play well to the union crowd, but it's consequences are self defeating. Sucking up to a Clintonista state department who'd internationally outsource or offshore breastfeeding to the Chinese if they could and use taxpayer subsidies to do it to boot. Bitchslapping the religious right at every turn in order to pander to the leftist base. Abortion on demand at all times and stages of pregnancy in order to prevent legacy creep from migrating into the murderer catagory.
Just how far does Ickes have to have his little gremlin shaped head up his a$$ to not understand he's gotten exactly what he asked for.
6 posted on
05/14/2005 11:15:57 AM PDT by
blackdog
(How are the ones and zeroes treating you today?)
To: JulieRNR21
The unions are locked into 'progressive' politics and will continue to pour their members' money down the rat hole of the Democratic Party. They have no choice. The SEIU is the worst when it comes to blindly pursuing 'social justice' issues and ignoring bread and butter issues.
It's a sure sign of desperation when lefty union bosses think they can reach out to churches, 'mega' or otherwise, to attempt to shore up their waning power.
Good riddance...
7 posted on
05/14/2005 11:17:47 AM PDT by
telebob
To: JulieRNR21
Hey Ickes, there are some things you just can't fix by lawyerin' up. All the union muscle, union pension funneling, rent-a-mobs, and telling grand juries to go eff off when asked to teatify cannot change one thing. That is that free will/free choice inevitably results as the outcome when you've been less than honest with the public for fifty years. There is no turnaround at this point.
Watching Ickes twist in the wind is better than sex. If he's become useless to Hillary, he had better hire a union loyal food taster.
9 posted on
05/14/2005 11:28:01 AM PDT by
blackdog
(How are the ones and zeroes treating you today?)
To: JulieRNR21
There is certainly no decline in the Federal, state, county, and municipal unions across the country. They and their pensions are eating us alive.
10 posted on
05/14/2005 11:31:35 AM PDT by
WHATNEXT?
(That's PRESIDENT BUSH (not Mr.)!!)
To: JulieRNR21
>> The federation's largest partner, 1.8 million-member Service Employees International Union, is threatening to bolt unless the AFL-CIO commits to a dramatic reorganization. The SEIU wants the AFL-CIO to cut its budget by more than 50 percent and use the savings to increase organizing by its member unions.
My union, The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners, left the AFL-CIO. Carpenters are by nature conservative for the most part, and we don't need them. In fact we were there before them, and all those other trades need us well before they get work. I think it saved the brotherhood $50,000,000 a year to leave the AFL-CIO.
McCarron has made needed changes, and did not endorse a candidate for President in 2006. We are still crawling with rats, but only in the eboards and staff; the carpenters who actually do the work are for the most part conservative or not concerned about politics.
Other trades will either follow the carpenters lead, or they will continue to diminish until extinct.
Organized labor has its place, but that place is not to side with political forces that ultimately seek the destruction of civilization. The true "unions" that are the largest and ultimately controlling are the "public employees unions". They somehow convinced true labor unions to follow their lead.
Their control (government employee unions) is fracturing as their policies, candidates and protests destroy the livelihood's of the rank and file workers.
Carpenters siding with environmentalists, communists and anarchists, give me a break.
12 posted on
05/14/2005 11:34:39 AM PDT by
mmercier
(sharing the couch of a god)
To: JulieRNR21
The AFL-CIO laid off 167 employees this month LOL... I guess the union workers will have to unionize against the heartless union bosses.
14 posted on
05/14/2005 11:38:13 AM PDT by
RJL
To: JulieRNR21
Maybe the unions would not be losing so many members if they stopped spending their members' money on far left-wing liberal causes that most of their members' opppose?
17 posted on
05/14/2005 11:48:03 AM PDT by
kennedy
("Why would I listen to losers?")
To: JulieRNR21
and Republican tax policies that squeeze middle-class incomesWhat the hell? Shoddy writing and reporting. Can anyone find a Republican president that raised taxes on the middle class? What alleged policy is this referring to?
Middle class people's taxes keep going down, and according to the liberals they're supposed to be upset that other people's taxes went down as well. Makes zero sense.
To: JulieRNR21
Rotten, corrupt, mobbed-up, overpriced, lazy bastards.
Unions must die. Die, unions, die. Die, die, die!
20 posted on
05/14/2005 12:28:29 PM PDT by
Hank Rearden
(Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
To: JulieRNR21
Unions lost me with their arcane work rules, like if you have 4 or 5 tiny simple tasks that would only take one person half a day, you need to hire 5 'specialists' all day to do each, carpenter, electrician, laborer, etc. This drives away business. Also, I hate the us versus them mentality. The airline pilots union did a sick out at AA a while back, inconveniencing passengers, and basically acting like spoiled babies throwing a fit. Yet, all they did was cost AA customers and hurt their own company. They are so short sighted they can't see that by pitting workers against the company instead of working with the company they are only hurting themselves.
24 posted on
05/14/2005 1:06:44 PM PDT by
sportutegrl
(If you can't see yourself marrying him (or her) then you shouldn't be having sex.)
To: JulieRNR21
Unions played a huge role in the US avoiding the intoxicating lure of the ignorant towards communism.
For that I am thankful but they have screwed themselves.
Most unions are little more than mafia fronts.
Unions keep backing Democrats against the interests of their membership.
Like the NAACP they screw the people they are supposed to represent so they can suck up to Democrat politicians.
Screw em.
There would be domestic oil and refinery jobs but for the Democrat Party.
25 posted on
05/14/2005 1:07:30 PM PDT by
TASMANIANRED
(Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
To: JulieRNR21
HA! ..the same ol playbook...the unions are are STILL trying to put lipstick on that pig.
31 posted on
05/14/2005 3:02:24 PM PDT by
skinkinthegrass
(Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
To: JulieRNR21
....a 50-year decline in membership that is tipping the balance of power in politics. That's what happens when you so fully embrace corruption, Harold.
35 posted on
05/14/2005 6:18:48 PM PDT by
Bullish
To: JulieRNR21
When you support a political party whose base is comprised of athiests, Hollywood drunks, welfare addicts, screeching feminists, abortion enthusiasts, condom throwers, professional race "victims", and every other variety of losers, malcontents, and parasites, you get what you deserve - - "union thugs", right there in the middle of that list.
To: JulieRNR21
Ah, my old union back when I was still working...the AFL-CIO. Yes, their numbers have been shrinking of late. At least my union dues didn't go to elect John Kerry.
38 posted on
05/14/2005 7:26:57 PM PDT by
Ciexyz
(Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
To: JulieRNR21
"A frustrated Ickes"
Best news of the day.
43 posted on
05/14/2005 8:22:49 PM PDT by
Rocky
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