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Baldwin Park public artwork angers group opposed to illegal immigration
sacbee ^ | 5-15-05

Posted on 05/15/2005 9:02:34 AM PDT by LouAvul

BALDWIN PARK, Calif. (AP) - A 12-year-old piece of public art has sparked a protest by a group that opposes illegal immigration.

The 20-foot-high arch has inscriptions that read, "It was better before they came" and "This land was Mexican once, was Indian always and is, and will be again."

It has angered members of Save Our State, a 7-month-old organization based in Ventura, which organized a protest Saturday that gained attention when it was announced on a local radio station.

"I find it incredibly offensive," said Joseph Turner, the group's executive director. He said the quotation "is seditious in nature. It essentially talks about returning this land to Mexico."

Turner said he wants the offending quotations removed before the Fourth of July.

The artwork, called "Danza Indigenas," was created by artist Judy Baca and commissioned by the city.

She said the structure is a "layered history piece" that honors American Indians, immigrants and others who have lived over the centuries on the land now known as Baldwin Park.

Baca said that Save Our State's complaint over one of the quotes was misguided.

"It was better before they came" was uttered by someone Baca described as "a white man from Arkansas, a civic leader" who was complaining about the arrival of Mexican Americans after World War II.

"When it went on the arch, its ambiguity became profound," she said. "The 'they' could be any 'they.'"

The protest turned into a heated two-hour rally with protesters on both sides taunting each other and arguing face-to-face before police arrived.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; art; baldwinpark; baldwinparkrally; culture; dynamiteplease; immigrantlist; judybaca; mexifornia; saveourstate
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This is near LA.
1 posted on 05/15/2005 9:02:35 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

With the invasion in progress and groups working to take CA back into Mexican possession I would not want tax dollars spent to propogandize the region.


2 posted on 05/15/2005 9:07:27 AM PDT by Spirited (God, Bless America, ;))
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To: LouAvul

Somehow I think this is a group of White people protesting. Nobody cares about White people being offended. White people are like the Republican party we dont stick together and vote in blocs , so nobody gives a damn what we think or what offends us. If we started sticking together they would call us Klansmen. As a matter of fact I am surprised these folks havent been called that yet.


3 posted on 05/15/2005 9:15:40 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: LouAvul
"It was better before they came" and "This land was Mexican once, was Indian always and is, and will be again."

Obviously, this 'artist' has never been to mexico. The artist hasn't walked past open sewers flowing down the middle of the street, hasn't seen how Mexicans discriminate against Indians, can't see the corruption of the gov't, the poverty and desperation, dirt, filth and lawlessness.

Something in the Latin culture is the anti-thesis for progress. 50 years ago Kuwait, Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, China and India shared the same squalid standard of living Mexico enjoys today. Today, Kuwait, Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, China and India have modern sewers, growing industries, electrical power and communications. Mexico hasn't really changed all that much; and I doubt they will in our lifetime.

Why won't they change? Because Kuwait, Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, China and India had the internal fortitude to stand up and recognize the problem and take responsibility to fix it. Mexico, on the other hand holds their hand out and says "You are rich, it's your responsibility to help me". This is nothing new, it's the lazy way out; to place responsibility for your circumstances at the feet of someone else has become the Mexican way; and they are proud of this.

4 posted on 05/15/2005 9:19:11 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: LouAvul
The 20-foot-high arch has inscriptions that read, "It was better before they came" and "This land was Mexican once, was Indian always and is, and will be again."

Application for a pair of small, linear shaped charges -- or a tractor with a long, strong chain...

6 posted on 05/15/2005 9:47:17 AM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: LouAvul

"...The artwork was commissioned by the city..."
This must be one of those budget items that they just couldn't cut.


7 posted on 05/15/2005 9:50:07 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: LouAvul
"This land was Mexican once, was Indian always and is, and will be again."

I'm a bit confused on this.

Are they claiming it's Mexican land or Indian land or that the two are one and the same?

Are they saying that Mexico is entitled to possess Indian land? If so, why? Why is Mexico so privileged?

If Mexico retakes this land, do they have plans to return it to the Indians?

8 posted on 05/15/2005 9:52:39 AM PDT by twas
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To: twas

I was there. It was not a protest it was a riot.

EYE Witness Report (not me)

5/15/05

I was at the Baldwin Park (California) Protest (on May 14, 2005).

We were outnumbered! Maybe 5 to 1 or more. They were more than several hundred. We were 40.

You know the type of crowd we were up against. The usual profanity was spouted. A man grabbed his crotch. A mob, lawlessness. Hatred. Mexican flags. We were called racists and Nazis. They spewed hatred.

The good news is that our side had brave Hispanic Americans who stood with us. I think our side was probably more than 1/3 or our American Hispanic citizens! They were awesome!

Upon being at the protest for under one hour, a 66 year old American citizen was hit in the forehead with a filled, unmarked water bottle. We were standing behind a line of police when the bottle hit her. The police say there is a video but that you can't see where the bottle came from.

The injured 66 year old woman is in Queen of Valley Hospital.

Her cat scan revealed she has some type of blood leakage from the brain. She has been admitted to ICU. She is alert and talking.

The Baldwin Park Police were notified. They sent an officer to ICU to make out a report.

I would like this to be anonymous should you decide to put it on American patrol.com

The 66 year old is a Minutewoman. She spent nearly one month at the Arizona border and returned home recently safe and sound. Now, when she was on the street peacefully assembled, she has sustained a head injury - in under one hour upon having arrived.

I could not leave when the injured woman went to the hospital because we had been ringed in by several hundred protesters. The police stood guard around us 40 or so American citizens. As the rally drew to its appointed close, the word came in that 200 protesters more were on the way. The police escorted the citizens to the police station. Where we waited until the police could evacuate the Latino protesters.

Then police vans took each of us to our cars. We were parked in a nearby school parking lot guarded by police. The police closed the streets by the school and had us leave by the side street.

Name withheld


9 posted on 05/15/2005 10:14:00 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl

10 posted on 05/15/2005 10:16:05 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl
What an ugly bunch of thugs.

Typical.

11 posted on 05/15/2005 10:17:35 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iš! Iš! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: occutegirl

12 posted on 05/15/2005 10:17:47 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl
US Marine, took charge did a great job. We were evacuated out to the police station and driven out in police vans.
13 posted on 05/15/2005 10:19:54 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: LouAvul
its ambiguity became profound,"

Profound ambiguity? Sheesh

14 posted on 05/15/2005 10:20:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: occutegirl
Russian Immigrant, opposed socialism in Russia, now helping us out.
16 posted on 05/15/2005 10:22:27 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: The100thMonkey

I agree. The media reporting is a joke.


17 posted on 05/15/2005 10:25:37 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: janetgreen; gubamyster

ping


18 posted on 05/15/2005 10:27:57 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: Bernard Marx; pacpam; hoppity; MayflowerMadam; capitan_refugio; Kviteseid; Val E. Girl; merry10; ...

Ventura County Ping!

One of Ventura's citizens is driving this.

(Let me know if you want on/off the Ventura County Ping list)


19 posted on 05/15/2005 10:35:19 AM PDT by Rabid Dog (Make a difference in your community - Join your local Free Republic Chapter!)
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To: Rabid Dog

Good job!


20 posted on 05/15/2005 10:49:54 AM PDT by HangFire (I'm only wearing black until they come up with something darker...)
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To: HangFire

I'm wondering if the person is a freeper or not.


22 posted on 05/15/2005 10:51:48 AM PDT by Rabid Dog (Make a difference in your community - Join your local Free Republic Chapter!)
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To: occutegirl; Brad's Gramma

Thanks!


23 posted on 05/15/2005 10:53:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: occutegirl
Thanks for the ping, OCG. I am outraged that all of you were actually exposed to violence by those ignorant thugs.

Americans have the RIGHT to protest the Mexicanization of America. People in some other states just don't realize the actual numbers here in California, they don't realize that it's going to happen in their states too.

I hope the lady who was hit by the bottle thrown at her head will be OK! All of you are heroes in my book.

24 posted on 05/15/2005 10:55:01 AM PDT by janetgreen (Minuteman Project = American Patriotism)
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To: Rabid Dog

Funny how the police always have their backs toward the people carrying the American flags...


25 posted on 05/15/2005 10:56:48 AM PDT by HangFire (I'm only wearing black until they come up with something darker...)
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To: LouAvul; NormsRevenge; kellynla; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; Boot Hill; tubebender; ...
Thanks for posting this.

Gonna be a long HOT summer down here........

26 posted on 05/15/2005 10:59:18 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: The100thMonkey

I was trying to find that sign, can you point it out.


27 posted on 05/15/2005 11:01:59 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

2nd picture down, under the traffic signal


28 posted on 05/15/2005 11:06:10 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl; Dog Gone
Thanks, now I see it......

Dog gone....they are saying bad things about the Alamo!

29 posted on 05/15/2005 11:08:41 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: LouAvul
I don't think anyone has to worry about this one, unless someone spray-paints "Somos Los Reconquistadores" onto the arch.

Petition to secure our borders

30 posted on 05/15/2005 11:13:34 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport them all; let Fox sort them out.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

31 posted on 05/15/2005 11:27:30 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl; Dog Gone; NormsRevenge; kellynla; Brad's Gramma

Even better....is that a young girl holding the sign?


32 posted on 05/15/2005 11:35:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

check out the video

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=one89

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Wedidnt

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=MMbeware

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Flagman

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=RaceHate

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=wardrums

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Talkers

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=USA

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=LaMigra


33 posted on 05/15/2005 11:40:42 AM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: occutegirl

thanks for the report, occutegirl ... and thanks to the eyewitness ... our people were brave to be there ... I believe this is now officially a war. We are not the ones who started it, but we must fight it.

We smoked out the other side in their true colors... the colors of the mexican flag they wave, not a U.S. flag among them .. their signs, their behavior ... even liberal media could not disguise what thugs they are ... one guy with a bandana over his face, a la the Chiapas revolutionaries ...

The good news is we can all take further action on this. I am posting a separate related topic and I will ping you all to it.


34 posted on 05/15/2005 11:42:13 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Truth is a rare commodity. Seek it, know it and cherish it.)
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To: occutegirl

Hopefully, your eyewitness can update us on the condition of the woman hit with the water bottle.


35 posted on 05/15/2005 11:43:41 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Truth is a rare commodity. Seek it, know it and cherish it.)
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To: Eaker; humblegunner

Disturbing.

Coming soon to a city near us.


36 posted on 05/15/2005 12:04:13 PM PDT by Flyer (I've seen your king come and go here)
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To: HangFire; occutegirl
Funny how the police always have their backs toward the people carrying the American flags...

That says it all!

Great work as always, Occutegirl. Watcherbutt out there.

37 posted on 05/15/2005 12:06:10 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: sgtbono2002
Somehow I think this is a group of White people protesting. Nobody cares about White people being offended. White people are like the Republican party we dont stick together and vote in blocs , so nobody gives a damn what we think or what offends us. If we started sticking together they would call us Klansmen. As a matter of fact I am surprised these folks havent been called that yet.

Not only that, but almost everything in US immigration law is totally against families of citizens, in favor of permanent residents, illegal immigrants, and others. Citizens get the shaft.
38 posted on 05/15/2005 12:08:27 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: LouAvul

BTTT for a buddy of mine...


39 posted on 05/15/2005 12:15:35 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: LowOiL

Bookmark for CC...


40 posted on 05/15/2005 12:17:09 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1403635/posts


41 posted on 05/15/2005 12:28:51 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Truth is a rare commodity. Seek it, know it and cherish it.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


42 posted on 05/15/2005 12:37:00 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: LouAvul

I see violence.


43 posted on 05/15/2005 12:37:28 PM PDT by wardaddy ( Lucchese Belt Raised)
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To: sgtbono2002

They call us bigots, racists, Nazis and whatnot here 24/7

and this is a "conservative" board.


44 posted on 05/15/2005 12:38:41 PM PDT by wardaddy ( Lucchese Belt Raised)
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To: occutegirl

Let's make another 25 million of those legal while we're at it.


45 posted on 05/15/2005 12:39:27 PM PDT by wardaddy ( Lucchese Belt Raised)
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To: occutegirl

Great job, great photos again.


46 posted on 05/15/2005 12:49:57 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: occutegirl

BTTT for later.

Sheesh.

Thanks, occutegirl for the reports and pics. Yowzers...


47 posted on 05/15/2005 12:52:53 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: twas
I'm a bit confused on this.

I don't think even the "artist" knows what she's talking about. She said "the structure is a 'layered history piece' that honors American Indians, immigrants and others who have lived over the centuries on the land now known as Baldwin Park."

"This land was Mexican once, was Indian always and is, and will be again." is from a poem written by Gloria Anzaldua. (You can read the entire poem   here.)

Apparently, artist Judy Baca added the other part ("It was better before they came".) herself.

Baca said that Save Our State's complaint over one of the quotes was misguided.

"It was better before they came" was uttered by someone Baca described as "a white man from Arkansas [slick Willie, perhaps ??], a civic leader" who was complaining about the arrival of Mexican Americans after World War II.

"When it went on the arch, its ambiguity became profound," she said. "The 'they' could be any 'they.'"

I don't find it to be "profound", I think that Judy is just an airhead.

48 posted on 05/15/2005 1:13:53 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: The100thMonkey
I think she's making up an excuse about that line, to cover her butt.

Yeah, she's real vague about the whole thing.

Although, it does seem like she's managed to stumble onto an easy way to make money.... just sell the stuff to some city officials who pay for it with other people's money. :-)

50 posted on 05/15/2005 1:35:32 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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