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Outspoken Toby Keith Shakes Up Industry
AP (via Yahoo) ^ | 5/16/2005 | John Gerome

Posted on 05/16/2005 9:42:16 PM PDT by andie74

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - He's tangled with Peter Jennings and the Dixie Chicks over his music, criticized the media for its coverage of the Iraq war, tweaked the Country Music Association over awards snubs and threatened to flee his record label.

Keith was at the Country Music Television offices last week to promote "Honkytonk University," his new CD out Tuesday, the same day he's up for the Academy of Country Music's Entertainer of the Year award.

At 6-foot-4, the former oil field worker, rodeo hand and semipro football player doesn't so much enter an office as take it over. He's candid and talkative and doesn't seem to mind stepping on toes — anyone's.

This day, he's still sore about a February report in Rolling Stone magazine that referred to him as "the king of ultra-patriotic country" and said his 2004 concert tour — which brought in $27.7 million, second only to Shania Twain in country music — earned "mostly red state dollars."

"The truth is — and we looked it up — we made a lot more money in the blue states," says Keith, 43, wearing a weathered straw cowboy hat and yellow Western shirt. "We did more shows in the red states, but we made a lot more cash in the blue states."

Keith feels he's been unfairly portrayed by the media and his critics as a hardcore right winger. While he's backed the American troops in his songs and supported President Bush's re-election, he describes himself as a conservative Democrat who doesn't always agree with the administration.

Back in Oklahoma where he and his wife of 21 years, Tricia, live with their three children, he's campaigned for Democratic candidates including Gov. Brad Henry.

"I get brushed with this big, gigantic red, white and blue brush. But I don't mind," he says. "I look good in red, white and blue."

Keith's star shines brighter than most country artists, and he'll be the first to tell you so. He's sold about 25 million albums with a sound rooted in the whiskey halls and beer joints of the Southwest.

Unlike most his peers, he writes just about everything he records. He says he can't imagine sifting through hundreds of songs to find a dozen or so that he likes and that reflect his personality. His hits include the hawkish anthem "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue (The Angry American)" — a song inspired by his father's death in a car accident in 2000 as well the 9-11 terrorist attacks — the boozy "I Love This Bar," the patriotic "American Soldier" and the chest-thumping "How Do You Like Me Now?"

The new album, "Honkytonk University," has a harder country edge. There's an old-school duet with his musical hero Merle Haggard, "She Ain't Hooked on Me No More," and a mid-tempo tune called "Big Blue Note" about a guy who finally comes to peace with a Dear John letter. The second single, "As Good As I Once Was," is a rumination on growing older and wiser.

The release of that single symbolizes Keith's frustration with his record company.

He left Mercury Records in 1999 because he was upset with the way his music was being handled. He went to DreamWorks, then an independent label, and became a superstar. Last year Dreamworks was acquired by Universal Music Group Nashville, which has Mercury under its umbrella.

"As fate would have it, in the end the little independent label I'm on that's $27 million in the hole when I walk in and it sells for $100 million four years later because of what we accomplish — who do they sell to? I go right back to the hell hole I was in at first."

Keith said he approached things with an open mind but ran into trouble with the single. He wanted "As Good As I Once Was" to be the first one for radio; the folks at Universal, he says, thought it was too risky and chose the title cut.

"I had put out four or five albums without one A&R meeting. We put out what we wanted and it worked. So why would I have to change?" he says. "At this point in my career I'm not going to put up with it."

While he won't rule out a distribution deal with the music giant, Keith said, "Universal knows where they stand. I've got one more album (to fulfill his contract). After that, the next album is going to be on my label — period."

Universal Music Group Nashville declined to comment Monday, but Billboard magazine reported that at the March radio industry conference where Keith made his remarks, UMGN co-chairman Luke Lewis said, "To (Keith) I say, 'Good luck.' The track record of artists running record labels is not that good."

Asked last week about Lewis' comment, Keith quipped, "Ask him if he wants to bet paychecks."

By starting his own label, Keith wants to move closer to the business side of music and, perhaps, farther from the artist side. He says he'll focus on signing songwriters, whom he believes are the forgotten backbone of country music.

"I'm trying to bring the song back and make songwriters into artists more so," he said. "The industry has forgot the song itself. They try to find the song and then attach it to a pretty face so it works on video."

What you probably won't find Keith doing, despite his strong opinions, is entering politics.

"I couldn't tick off the line. My dad called it 'glad-handing' — walk up and smile and shake their hand whether you like them or not. If I don't like you, I don't like you. I don't want to come up and shake your hand."


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I love this guy. I never was a fan of country music, but since the election, my tastes have been a changin'.
1 posted on 05/16/2005 9:42:16 PM PDT by andie74
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To: andie74

"Whisky for my friends, and beer for my horses.." can't beat that LOL


2 posted on 05/16/2005 9:46:32 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: andie74

I love Toby Keith's music. Lots of patriotic stuff, and lots of just plain fun songs.


3 posted on 05/16/2005 9:46:55 PM PDT by Celtic Rose (It may be prudent in me to act sometimes by other men's reason, but I can think only by my own)
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To: andie74

Mr. Keith - Do what you do best.


4 posted on 05/16/2005 9:51:11 PM PDT by Khurkris (This tag-line is available on CD ROM. NRA.)
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To: andie74
"earned "mostly red state dollars." "The truth is — and we looked it up — we made a lot more money in the blue states,"

Nothing against him, but I'm weary of this kind of silly stuff. Why would he look up such a stupid statistic? Whatever happened to plain old America, especially in terms of something like where a musician earns money? It's petty and silly.

5 posted on 05/16/2005 9:51:56 PM PDT by Darkwolf (aka Darkwolf377 (lurker since'01, member since 4/'04)--stop clogging me with pings!)
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To: andie74
There's not many Democrats like him left. I wish there were.

Ironicly, I'd probably have been a democrat until Reagan in Michigan. Bill Milliken (a pro-abort high tax gun grabber who backed John Kerry) is a RINO today, but his types controlled the GOP at the time. Largely rich liberals, while democrats were more populist blue collar labor. Richard Headlee broke through in 1982 and the Engler/Headlee wing eventually took contol, resulting in a 1990 monumental win.

And until recently, there were a lot of conservative democrats in Michigan, and almost 1/3 of the legislators today still are sometimes social conservatives. About 1/4 to 1/5 of the GOP still have shades of Millikenism. The rest are either more libertarian, religious conservatives, or somewhere in between.

7 posted on 05/16/2005 9:53:58 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Fire Stabenow in 2006)
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To: andie74

The Liberals don't understand Toby because they've forgotton what a conservative Democrat is. Scoop Jackson, Zell Miller...Toby Keith. A dying breed. Their party has been hijacked by anti-American socialists. This is why Toby seems like he'd be a conservative-Republican even though the Truth is that he is a conservative-Democrat.

And I accept that. My parents were conservative Democrats. Reagan was a Democrat. Coleman was a Democrat. Party left them not vice versa.

I'm in a blue state and love Toby's music, but then we need sanity up here. Even though I'm in a 'red' county it's just not the same.


8 posted on 05/16/2005 9:54:08 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: andie74

I have a quote from him where he says "truth is i am a lifelong democrat,and that pisses off liberals today like you wouldn't believe"


9 posted on 05/16/2005 9:54:12 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache ( "I think she did too much coke, ahh you think so Doctor?")
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To: Darkwolf
Why would he look up such a stupid statistic?

Probably so he knows where to tour next.

10 posted on 05/16/2005 9:54:38 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Fire Stabenow in 2006)
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To: lysie; MozartLover

11 posted on 05/16/2005 9:57:03 PM PDT by kayak (Have you prayed for your President today?)
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To: andie74
It took me awhile to find out who sung "The Red, White and Blue" and then I was hooked. Have almost NO music here at all. . .
12 posted on 05/16/2005 10:00:58 PM PDT by used2BDem (Navy Vet (Navy Mom))
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To: andie74

Toby is on a genuine path. He kinda reminds me of Willie...without the Nashville baggage. I like Toby's style, which will only improve by his own label.


13 posted on 05/16/2005 10:02:19 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: 1066AD

I love that too, but my favorite is, "The List". It personifies my husband. When I first heard it, we were driving across country. I made him listen to it EVERY day. Two or three times. He is finally slowing down to a pace where we may get to keep him a little while longer. THANK YOU, TOBY!


14 posted on 05/16/2005 10:05:59 PM PDT by used2BDem (Navy Vet (Navy Mom))
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To: My Favorite Headache; Soul Seeker; Dan from Michigan

I too can appreciate conservative Democrats...I am the first Republican in my family, but we all agree on social issues.

For instance, my taxes shouldn't pay for your handout.

In fact, I am not sure where we exactly draw the line between Democrat and Republican -- Granddaddy, the uncles, and my folks all voted for Reagan, Bush 41, Dole, and Bush 43. None of them voted for Kennedy. They all supported the Vietnam War, Desert Storm, and the War on Terror.

In their minds, though, only rich guys are Republican. But I think that with the likes of Jesse Jackson, Pelosi, Daschle, Reid, Teddy, Johnny Edwards, Kerry, and the Clintons, they are more willing to call themselves Republicans.

Again, the party left them, not the other way around.


15 posted on 05/16/2005 10:06:31 PM PDT by andie74 (If you eat pasta and antipasta, do they cancel each other out?)
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To: Darkwolf

Ever had a business manager?


16 posted on 05/16/2005 10:06:43 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader
If a guy is supposedly so straight-shooting and all, I hope HE's not hiding behind his business manager.

I'm not making a big deal of this, I am just really tired of all this red-blue crap, as if that is meaningful in any way, seeing how some of these states were won or lost by small margins. (Can you tell I live in a blue state?)

17 posted on 05/16/2005 10:09:46 PM PDT by Darkwolf (aka Darkwolf377 (lurker since'01, member since 4/'04)--stop clogging me with pings!)
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To: andie74
"I get brushed with this big, gigantic red, white and blue brush. But I don't mind," he says. "I look good in red, white and blue."

Toby looks good in just about anything.


18 posted on 05/16/2005 10:09:56 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell

Okay, I think Ann Coulter rules apply.


19 posted on 05/16/2005 10:10:49 PM PDT by andie74 (If you eat pasta and antipasta, do they cancel each other out?)
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To: andie74

Absolutely.


20 posted on 05/16/2005 10:12:13 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: andie74
One more just to pretty up the thread a little bit extra:


21 posted on 05/16/2005 10:14:07 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: andie74

Count me among the new fans of country music.

My music has always been AC/DC, the Stones, Thorogood, and the like. But something in just the last couple of years has been drawing me more and more toward country. I cain't 'splain it. But I'm liking it more and more.


22 posted on 05/16/2005 10:15:20 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Darkwolf

I don't blame ya. Old army cadence- " Oh misery, oh misery- look what the blues- have done ta me- Oh misery, oh misery..." Come on, bad dad...lift your heart and your azz will follow.


23 posted on 05/16/2005 10:17:25 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Ramius

It's got to have 'twang....


24 posted on 05/16/2005 10:17:30 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: used2BDem

My List

Under an old brass paperweight is my list of things to do today
Go to the bank and the hardware store, put a new lock on the cellar door
I cross 'em off as I get 'em done but when the sun is set
There's still more than a few things left I haven't got to yet

Go for a walk, say a little prayer
Take a deep breath of mountain air
Put on my glove and play some catch
It's time that I make time for that
Wade the shore and cast a line
Pick up a long lost friend of mine
Sit on the porch and give my girl a kiss
Start livin', that's the next thing on my list

Wouldn't change the course of fate but cuttin' the grass just had to wait
'Cause I've bot more important things like pushin' my kid on the backyard swing
I won't break my back for a million bucks I can't take to my grave
So why put off for tomorrow what I could get done today

Like go for a walk, say a little prayer
Take a deep breath of mountain air
Put on my glove and play some catch
It's time that I make time for that
Wade the shore and cast a line
Pick up a long lost friend of mine
Sit on the porch and give my girl a kiss
Start livin', that's the next thing on my list

Raise a little hell, laugh 'til it hurts
Put an extra five in the plate at church
Call up my folks just to chat
It's time that I make time for that
Stay up late, then oversleep
Show her what she means to me
Catch up on all the things I've always missed
Just start livin', that's the next thing on my list

Under an old brass paperweight
Is my list of things to do today


25 posted on 05/16/2005 10:17:53 PM PDT by andie74 (If you eat pasta and antipasta, do they cancel each other out?)
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To: 1066AD

Toby Keith will be having a concert for the USO in Mannheim (about 20 minutes from where I am) this Sunday. I can't wait!


26 posted on 05/16/2005 10:18:10 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: andie74; Ramius

Can't wait to get his new cd, coming out tomorrow.

Some great songs on it. Heard a few of them the other day on one of the country websites, he says it's his most country album maybe ever.

If you want to have fun tomorrow night, tune into the awards show (unfortunately on cbs -- but it's about the only time I would ever tune them in).

Toby will be playing live on satellite while on his tour for the troops from over in Iraq/Afghanistan.


27 posted on 05/16/2005 10:22:19 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: frankiep

Lucky you!


28 posted on 05/16/2005 10:22:49 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: frankiep

No kiddin'! Good for you! Thanks for your service, frankiep!


29 posted on 05/16/2005 10:23:41 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: frankiep
And yes, I'll add my thanks for your service!

Toby on one of his previous USO tours. I think you're in for a treat.

(If you get a chance, report back on how the concert was!)


30 posted on 05/16/2005 10:36:42 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell

I'll do that. I'll also try to take some pics.


31 posted on 05/16/2005 10:39:49 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: frankiep

Wow, that would be great to see photos if you get a chance!

Enjoy yourself! You all deserve it!


32 posted on 05/16/2005 10:42:04 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Ramius
I hated most country music growing up, but I finally gave it a chance sometime after 9/11 when I was channel-surfing and found Toby Keith's video for Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue. I liked some of the other songs by other artists - even including the Dixie Chicks - but I eventually veered back to other types of music like blues, rock and pop.

Well, now the new band Sugarland has me crazy about country again. Their first hit video, Baby Girl, has climbed all the way to #1 on CMT.

We're just hours away from the primetime Academy of Country Music Awards telecast on CBS. Check your local listings for Tuesday, May 17th. An all-star lineup is expected to be there, including Sugarland, Toby Keith, Sara Evans, Montgomery Gentry, Big & Rich, Reba, etc.

33 posted on 05/16/2005 10:46:01 PM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: andie74
Um, yeah. That is my honey. Our kids are way past playing catch, his Mom has Alzheimers and he has had a heart attack that destroyed the center third of his heart. Everyday since 6/28/01 has been a gift. Which is why "My List" makes me choke up every time I hear it. . .
34 posted on 05/16/2005 10:46:56 PM PDT by used2BDem (Navy Vet (Navy Mom))
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To: texasbluebell
SOBBING!! I don't get CBS at all! Anywhere else I can see the Afganistan/Iraq portion??
35 posted on 05/16/2005 10:51:05 PM PDT by used2BDem (Navy Vet (Navy Mom))
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To: Treader
He kinda reminds me of Willie...

I was disappointed to learn that Willie is almost as liberal as Jane Fonda. It may have had something to do with Clinton's IRS suing him for $16 mil in back taxes.

36 posted on 05/16/2005 10:52:36 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not everything that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: used2BDem

Oh my gosh, I don't know.

I'll have to see, maybe there will be a simulcast on one of the country channels, but I haven't heard that mentioned.

Only that it's on cbs, unfortunately.

If I find anything else, I'll ping you!


37 posted on 05/16/2005 10:53:15 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: used2BDem

This link

http://www.cmt.com/music/events/acm/2005/

has a connecting link to "radio" so they might be planning on playing it tomorrow night.

Not sure. But worth keeping in mind.


38 posted on 05/16/2005 10:55:28 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: andie74

I like his music, but not so much his voice. He sounds like a goat singing through a box fan. But I like him. And Shania doesn't do country music. She's pop sung with the aid of electronic pitch enhancers. Ray Benson of Asleep at the Wheel told me that.


39 posted on 05/16/2005 10:56:30 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: andie74
BTW, thanks for posting the lyrics. Definately life with hubby. . .
40 posted on 05/16/2005 10:57:05 PM PDT by used2BDem (Navy Vet (Navy Mom))
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To: andie74

I really liked Toby's "Unleashed" CD, and most of his stuff before that, but for the past three years his songs have seemed uninspired. I think he's just phoning it in until his contract is up.

(Of course, his songs continue to be huge hits, so maybe I'm the idiot...)


41 posted on 05/16/2005 10:59:12 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Somos un país soberano en una época de guerra. ¿Por qué no podemos defender nuestra frontera?)
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To: andie74

I know many dems of his ilk. Oh that the party leadership was likewise so inclined...


42 posted on 05/16/2005 11:02:22 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: texasbluebell
Oh, Thank You! I get CMT, but no CBS. (Thank You, Lord!!) Popped over there for a second and it looks like I might get it! Thank you so much, texasbluebell!!
43 posted on 05/16/2005 11:03:04 PM PDT by used2BDem (Navy Vet (Navy Mom))
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To: andie74

Big Red, White, and Blue bump for later enjoyment.


44 posted on 05/16/2005 11:03:53 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.)
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To: used2BDem

This is fun too.

You can click on this to watch his videos, they've got most that I've seen on tv. Click on "more videos" -- they've got "My List" here.

Just click on the video link, it's great to just watch them sometimes.

http://www.cmt.com/artists/az/keith_toby/artist.jhtml


45 posted on 05/16/2005 11:06:24 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: andie74; Jim Robinson
Thanks for fixin' up this song, Jim. I made a couple of change too.

We got winners; we got losers;
Chain smokers and boozers.
An' we got yuppies; we got bikers;
An' we got, thirsty hitchhikers.
And the girls next door dress up like movie stars:
Mm, mm, mmm, mmm, mmm, I love FR.
We got cowboys; we got truckers;
Broken hearted fools and suckers.
An' we got husslers; we got fighters;
Early birds and all nighters.
And the veterans talk about their battle scars:
Mm, mm, mmm, mmm, mmm, I love FR.

I love FR,
It's my kind place.
Just loggin' on each morning,
Puts a big smile on my face.
It ain't too far; come as you are.
Mm, mm, mmm, mmm, mmm, I love FR.

I've seen short skirts; we've got high-techs;
Blue collar boys and rednecks.
An' we got lovers; lots of lookers;
I've even seen dancin' girls and hookers.
And we like to drink our beer from a mason jar:
Mm, mm, mmm, mmm, mmm, I love FR, yes I do!

I like my truck, (I like my truck),
An' I like my girlfriend, (I like my girlfriend),
I like to take her out to dinner;
I like a movie now and then:

But I love FR,
It's my kind place.
Just refreshin' the latest posts,
Puts a big smile on my face.
No cover charge; come as you are.
Mm, mm, mmm, mmm, mmm, I love this FR.
Mm, mm, mmm, mmm, mmm, I just love this ol' FR

46 posted on 05/16/2005 11:09:04 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: andie74

...And freedom flies!!!....


47 posted on 05/16/2005 11:10:34 PM PDT by Route101
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To: Darkwolf

Perhaps he looked up the numbers because Rolling Stone brought it up, and it didn't sound right to him. Perhaps it was just fun to prove RS wrong.


48 posted on 05/16/2005 11:24:29 PM PDT by skr (May God bless those in harm's way and confound those who would do the harming)
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To: texasbluebell

Toby you are definately THE MAN.....
Thanks very much


49 posted on 05/16/2005 11:26:51 PM PDT by injin
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Dang, ya just had to bring that up. Yet, I was only tryin' to reference their similar music and the music industry b-s. You did read the thread article, right? I liked hearin' that Toby ain't gonna Nashville-package anymore or any longer. How 'bout you? Toby is a dem and Willie is also. Willie played the game longer than most, then said... Heck, if someone has been a conservative since G-d first knew 'em, then glory to 'em... never made that promise, myself. How ya feel about Emmy Lou or the Greatest Folks of Country Music? They were are all dem's. lol...by the by, the jane fonda reference is outta line.


50 posted on 05/16/2005 11:40:46 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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