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Why Islam Was Enraged By Newsweek-(are rabble rousers afraid Christianity is superior?)
NEW YORK SUN ^ | MAY 17, 2005 | HILLEL HALKIN

Posted on 05/17/2005 4:12:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE

"Oops, sorry. It looks like we were wrong." Thus Newsweek apologizes for its story in last week's issue that American intelligence interrogators in Guantanamo desecrated the Koran in front of Muslim prisoners and flushed it down the toilet - an error that has to date cost the lives of 16 people killed in the anti-American riots that the story set off in various parts of the Islamic world.

One wonders why a supposedly responsible magazine like Newsweek didn't manifest a tad less credulity toward a report indicating that American intelligence is run not only by anti-Muslim barbarians, but also by total imbeciles. Who else would think that the way to get a terror suspect to be more cooperative is by treating his holy scriptures as excrement? The strong tendency in today's world to believe that America is in the hands of cretins has, apparently, its supporters in the American media, too.

But one also wonders about something else. Suppose for a moment that the shoe had been on the other foot - that is, that Newsweek had run a story about intelligence interrogators in a Muslim country desecrating the New Testament or the Hebrew Bible in a facility holding Christian or Jewish prisoners. What would have been the reaction?

There would have been angry protests, of course. Perhaps even a few noisy rallies at churches or synagogues. But riots? 16 deaths? It's hard to imagine.

Do Muslims really revere the Koran so much more than Christians and Jews do the Bible? They act as if they do. Think of the Salman Rushdie affair. For years this Muslim-born novelist was threatened with death all over the Muslim world for parodying certain episodes in the Koran. A Christian or Jewish novelist who did the same with the Bible would get yawned at.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bible; christianity; flushing; gitmo; islam; koran; korandesecration; muslim; newsweek; quran; rage; riots; story; toilet

1 posted on 05/17/2005 4:12:55 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

So which of us enterprising Freepers is going to apply for the NEA grant to sponsor "artwork" that consists of placing the Koran in a container of urine?

After all, what's acceptable with respect to Christianity should also be acceptable with respect to Islam, right?


2 posted on 05/17/2005 4:15:02 PM PDT by TheConservator (George W. Bush--elected our President by an historical majority of the American Public!)
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To: CHARLITE
I don't mind our government providing the terrorists in Gitmo with copies of the koran, but we should not discriminate. They should be told that they also are permitted to ask for the Christian Bible, the Torah, and texts of other faiths like Hindu and Buddhism.

Since many have not been permitted religious freedom, who knows how the prisoners would react to being told that it is "okay" to read up on another faith.

3 posted on 05/17/2005 4:19:00 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: CHARLITE
Had Newsweek known that someone besides US soldiers would die because of this they would not have published it.
4 posted on 05/17/2005 4:19:39 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's the difference between Joseph Goebbels and Michael Moore? About 150 pounds.)
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To: TheConservator
Not even the cast of Monty Python were that nuts. Michael Palin has said that he steered clear of satarizing Islam in The Life of Brian because their extremists will kill such authors/artists.

The left knows that it's "cool" to trash Christianity.

Political Correctness is like that.

5 posted on 05/17/2005 4:21:00 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: CrazyIvan
Had Newsweek known that someone besides US soldiers would die because of this they would not have published it.

Don't bet on it.

6 posted on 05/17/2005 4:22:30 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: CrazyIvan

Hogwash. They have been trying to keep the Middle East unstable for years now.

They are the peanut gallery razzing the adults. They offer no solutions and they know that they will not be held accountable.

During WWII such lies (as with those Kerry told Congress) would be classified as treason designed to rile up the enemy.

Lord Haw Haw and Axis Sally were convicted of treason after WWII. The British got to William Joyce first so he was tried and executed, there are some who feel he would have just been jailed if he could have returned to the US.


7 posted on 05/17/2005 4:23:35 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

funny prisoners can have their regligious books but our school kids can't


8 posted on 05/17/2005 4:24:44 PM PDT by Judge Roy
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To: Judge Roy

Thanks for the new tagline


9 posted on 05/17/2005 4:28:35 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: Judge Roy

Figured by now someone would spin it to be "all Bush's fault"! Or did I miss it?


10 posted on 05/17/2005 4:28:59 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Cancel your NEWSWEEK subscriptions. If you don't have one write their advertisers.)
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To: All

Its all a mater of "indoctrination". The Islamic Zelots are totally indoctrinated, their education is like 100% Koran from early childhood. Their goal is to convert the world and have it controlled by clerics. Mullahs want to keep their jobs and power thus they must keep their program going. Someday we'll all wake up and see that man is destroying mankind, not God.


11 posted on 05/17/2005 4:29:07 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (BEWARE YOUR FREEPER IDs AND POSTINGS CAN BE FOUND ON GOOGLE SEARCH. HILLARY IS WATCHING YOU!)
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To: CHARLITE

See drudge now. It's enough to make you never read any newspaper again.

http://drudgereport.com/flash3mi1.htm

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE MAY 17, 2005 18:02:22 ET XXXXX

REVENGE OF THE SITH PRESS: REPORTERS RIP BUSH SPOKESMAN OVER NEWSWEEK MESS

Mainline reporters moved into battle mode today during a White House press briefing -- as one of their own outlets continued to hemorrhage over a now retracted story!

Afghanistan's government said Tuesday that NEWSWEEK should be held responsible for damages caused by deadly anti-American demonstrations after the magazine alleged U.S. desecration of the Quran.

The White House said the United States' image abroad had suffered irreparable damage by the story.

But it was the press's turn to fight back as Bush spokesman Scott McClellan opened his briefing to questions.

[Joined in progess]

Q With respect, who made you the editor of Newsweek? Do you think it's appropriate for you, at that podium, speaking with the authority of the President of the United States, to tell an American magazine what they should print?

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm not telling them. I'm saying that we would encourage them to help --

Q You're pressuring them.

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I'm saying that we would encourage them --

Q It's not pressure?

MR. McCLELLAN: Look, this report caused serious damage to the image of the United States abroad. And Newsweek has said that they got it wrong. I think Newsweek recognizes the responsibility they have. We appreciate the step that they took by retracting the story. Now we would encourage them to move forward and do all that they can to help repair the damage that has been done by this report. And that's all I'm saying. But, no, you're absolutely right, it's not my position to get into telling people what they can and cannot report....

Q Are you asking them to write a story about how great the American military is; is that what you're saying here?

MR. McCLELLAN: Elisabeth, let me finish my sentence. Our military --

Q You've already said what you're -- I know what -- how it ends.

MR. McCLELLAN: No, I'm coming to your question, and you're not letting me have a chance to respond. But our military goes out of their way to handle the Koran with care and respect. There are policies and practices that are in place. This report was wrong. Newsweek, itself, stated that it was wrong. And so now I think it's incumbent and -- incumbent upon Newsweek to do their part to help repair the damage. And they can do that through ways that they see best, but one way that would be good would be to point out what the policies and practices are in that part of the world, because it's in that region where this report has been exploited and used to cause lasting damage to the image of the United States of America. It has had serious consequences. And so that's all I'm saying, is that we would encourage them to take steps to help repair the damage. And I think that they recognize the importance of doing that. That's all I'm saying.

Q As far as the Newsweek article is concerned, first, how and where the story came from? And do you think somebody can investigate if it really happened at the base, and who told Newsweek? Because somebody wrote a story.

MR. McCLELLAN: I think Newsweek has talked about it. They took it --

Developing...


12 posted on 05/17/2005 4:30:01 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Judge Roy

OTOH, our kids can be taught Islam in school...


13 posted on 05/17/2005 4:30:42 PM PDT by Fam4Bush (The wind always seems to blow against catchers when they are running. - Yogi Berra)
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There would have been angry protests, of course. Perhaps even a few noisy rallies at churches or synagogues. But riots? 16 deaths? It's hard to imagine.

Yup, these are the very same people George W. Bush has said are ready to receive a democratic form of government?

"Bush praised the visiting head of Afghanistan's interim government, Hamid Karzai, as a man of "honor, courage and skill helping to build a new and democratic Afghanistan."

"That journey to democracy and peace deserves the support and respect of every nation," he said at a Rose Garden news conference after a meeting with Karzai, "because free nations do not breed the ideology of terror."

"Coalition forces, including many brave Afghans, have brought America, Afghanistan and the world its first victory in the war on terror," the president said. "Afghanistan is no longer a terrorist factory sending thousands of killers into the world."

Uh-huh. Ri-ight...

Tell us another one, George.

14 posted on 05/17/2005 4:32:00 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: CHARLITE
The Bible or koran is just a stack of printed pages. I get more upset when muslims chop heads off real people.
15 posted on 05/17/2005 4:34:18 PM PDT by Flyer (I've seen your king come and go here)
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To: CHARLITE
Why Islam Was Enraged By Newsweek...................

Why?

Because its adherents are ignorant and primitive.

And why are they ignorant and primitive?

They believe in an 'Ignorant' and 'Primitive' religion.

16 posted on 05/17/2005 4:35:28 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: CrazyIvan


It does NOT MATTER whether these lies WERE written in "good faith" or EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT LIES. This story should NEVER, EVER have been written in the main stream press, EVEN IF TRUE!!!

This information OUGHT to have been brought to the attention of the US gov't, and let them handle it QUIETLY. Inflammatory information like this must be dealt with RESPONSIBLY - in that case (as in Abu Garib) the US must discover the facts, punish perpetrators if any, deal with systemic problems if they exist, and only after that is done, (usually) release the embargo on the story to that reporter or organization who brought it to light.

It was prima facie clear that this, like the overblown Abu story (that the military was already investigating and in the process of punishing), had great potential to harm the United States and our allies (Iraq, Afghanistan, and others); to kill people and injure others - and it is certainly clear that our civilian leadership would condemn such activities if they were occuring. The proper course for responsible news organizations is to let them know behind closed doors what might be going and to allow them time to clean it up. In extreme cases, the story ought to be embargoed forever, but typically it should be released after a period of time.

A RESPONSIBLE news organization might even state a "story" was shopped to them that was found to be UNTRUE after investigation by proper authority - Newsweek COULD have done that in this particular case, and done a great service to our country and the world in exposing how misinformation can attempt to be planted in the media. They blew it, and instead CAUSED MURDERS and Mayhem.

This "shopped" story brings more than shame to Newsweek, though - people are DEAD who ought not be dead.

It is time to bring back wartime censorship of the press.

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17 posted on 05/17/2005 4:35:34 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: TheConservator

It will be a waste of perfectly good urine.


18 posted on 05/17/2005 4:41:06 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: CHARLITE
Interesting article. Very interesting, in fact.

I'm thinking I may want to pick up an English translation of this "Koran" and see if it's as tedious reading as the author says it is.

I heard it was mostly knock-knock jokes and recipes for hummus.

Incidentally, I read some passages from one of the "new translations" of the Bible the other day. Sorry, but I'll stick with the King James version. What I enjoy is the lyrical style and archaic language that lends weight to the words - something the new translations are seriously lacking.

19 posted on 05/17/2005 4:48:13 PM PDT by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: Flyer

"The Bible or koran is just a stack of printed pages."

To Christians, the Bible is the Living Word of God. However, the Word became Flesh, ptl, and as millions of bibles are burned or otherwise destroyed every year in varying parts of the world, we just peacefully keep printing new ones in more and more languages.

Does the "peaceful religion" of Islam promote a more aggressive, violent reaction to the abuse of their holy book? If so, perhaps it is because the Koran's limitation defenselessly can not meet the challenge of becoming flesh, alive, eternal, and invincible. It simply remains "a stack of printed pages."


20 posted on 05/17/2005 4:52:20 PM PDT by Fam4Bush (The wind always seems to blow against catchers when they are running. - Yogi Berra)
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To: CHARLITE

(are rabble rousers afraid Christianity is superior?)
The answer to the question is YES! and it is.


21 posted on 05/17/2005 4:52:52 PM PDT by roylene
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To: AFPhys
A RESPONSIBLE news organization might even state a "story" was shopped to them that was found to be UNTRUE after investigation by proper authority - Newsweek COULD have done that in this particular case, and done a great service to our country and the world in exposing how misinformation can attempt to be planted in the media. They blew it, and instead CAUSED MURDERS and Mayhem.

Ahem. The people who killed and rioted caused the murder and mayhem.

Newsweek just published a story. True or not, it's just words on a page.

What you're saying is the same as liberals trying to blame murders on the gun instead of the shooter.

22 posted on 05/17/2005 4:53:12 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: weegee
Actually, political correctness is always having to say you are sorry.
23 posted on 05/17/2005 4:54:31 PM PDT by roylene
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To: CHARLITE
"are rabble rousers afraid Christianity is superior?"

Absolutely. The Christophobes are terrified that a real God will prove they are nothing but little false gods.

24 posted on 05/17/2005 4:56:16 PM PDT by ViLaLuz
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To: roylene

That is liberal guilt. Not quite the same thing.

It is okay to make a Christian cry. They are "meanies".


25 posted on 05/17/2005 4:57:09 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

If someone yells fire in a crowded theater, the real culprit is the guy who shoves people out of his way to escape, right?

John Kerry lied before Congress when he described "war crimes" he observed in Vietnam. Those lies emboldened the enemy. That is treason.

This is no different. Newsweek knew that it served to destabilize the area. The only question is whether they knew it was untrue or even cared.


26 posted on 05/17/2005 4:59:35 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: AFPhys

Maybe my memory is off, but I thought Newsweek did run the story by the Army and got no comments.


27 posted on 05/17/2005 4:59:44 PM PDT by obnogs
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To: AFPhys
This story should NEVER, EVER have been written in the main stream press, EVEN IF TRUE!!!

Exactly!  What was the purpose?  If the goal wasn't to incite unrest and anti-American sentiment than what was it?

28 posted on 05/17/2005 5:00:11 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: TheConservator
How about putting the managing editor of the Washington Post in a container of urine?
29 posted on 05/17/2005 5:02:33 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: CHARLITE

The exagerated rage diplayed by the Muslims, because of the alleged Koran abuse, is merely an excuse for them to show their ingrained hatred towards the West.

Wake up America, Muslims prefer to live among their murderous ilk instead of generous infidels. And that is not only in Afghanistan and Pakistan but also in Iraq.


31 posted on 05/17/2005 5:05:40 PM PDT by auburntiger
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To: TheConservator
"So which of us enterprising Freepers is going to apply for the NEA grant to sponsor "artwork" that consists of placing the Koran in a container of urine? "

A urinal?

33 posted on 05/17/2005 5:06:24 PM PDT by BobS
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To: FierceDraka
I'm thinking I may want to pick up an English translation of this "Koran".

You can find an on line searcheable copy of the koran here,

If you just want to see what's in it, the on line version should satisfy your curiosity.

If you want it for artistic, or private personal uses, just print off the pages necessary.

34 posted on 05/17/2005 5:14:28 PM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: weegee
If someone yells fire in a crowded theater, the real culprit is the guy who shoves people out of his way to escape, right?

Bad analogy. Below is one that's more apt.

Someone yells fire in a theatre. Someone else in that theater kills a third movie-goer because he didn't like what the original shouter said.

So, do we blame the murder on the original shouter or the guy who killed the innocent?

John Kerry lied before Congress when he described "war crimes" he observed in Vietnam. Those lies emboldened the enemy. That is treason.

But this isn't the enemy. Bush says these are our friends, fellow lovers of freedom, newly minted-supporters of democracy. Well, as long as we don't criticize them or their religion, right?

This is no different. Newsweek knew that it served to destabilize the area. The only question is whether they knew it was untrue or even cared.

So, are the murderers and rioters absolved of all responsiblity for their actions because Newsweek published a lie? It sounds like you think they should not be held responsible for their actions.

35 posted on 05/17/2005 5:17:46 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Do you believe the rioters to be arguing among one another or stampeding through the streets?

I have not heard that the dead and injured wound up in that state for agreeing with the concept of putting the koran in the toilet.

Where did you get this news? Newsweak?


36 posted on 05/17/2005 5:23:50 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

A woman from the LA Times tried to ignite a riot during the Elian Gonzales protests in Miami. She threw rocks at police trying to antagonize the crowd into following suit.

They did not. She was arrested and charged (yet continued working at the LAT). Any doubt what side of the argument she stood politically?

It would have done wonders for smearing the protestors though ("Anti-Castro protestors turn violent!").


37 posted on 05/17/2005 5:27:11 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: Nihao
The majority of Iraqis appreciate their liberation.

Uh-huh. Let me know when they open up the Green zone to ordinary Iraqis.

38 posted on 05/17/2005 5:30:31 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: TheConservator
"P*** Christ" (not my title)

"Isn't it interesting that the Koran in the toilet (which didn't happen, apparently) constitutes desecration and a crucifix in a bottle of urine gets a government grant? Does that seem strange to anyone else?"

39 posted on 05/17/2005 5:34:30 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: weegee
Do you believe the rioters to be arguing among one another or stampeding through the streets?

I would expect rioters to be stampeding through the streets. That's why they're called "rioters".

But why were they rioting? Did someone kill their children? Did someone destroy their homes? Did someone assassinate their beloved leader?

Nope. Newsweek published a story that said that a copy of the Koran was flushed down a toilet. And for this offense, peace-loving muslims kill people and riot. Real civilized bunch you've got there.

I have not heard that the dead and injured wound up in that state for agreeing with the concept of putting the koran in the toilet.

So who's to blame for the killing? Newsweek or the murderers?

Where did you get this news? Newsweak?

Huh? Come again?

40 posted on 05/17/2005 5:37:06 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: auburntiger

I think they were mad because they didn't know what a toilet
was. I mean, they see this picture of this white, round, porcelain thing- something they've never seen before in their life, and right away they figure it's gotta be some kind of machine made especially to chew up the Koran.


42 posted on 05/17/2005 5:41:41 PM PDT by jimboster (I went on vacation to see some new faces- your face doesn't look so new)
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To: DoctorMichael
"And why are they ignorant and primitive?

They believe in an 'Ignorant' and 'Primitive' religion."

Such brevity. You're exactly right, and so what is beyond "merely" frustrating is the fact that the pervasive and insidious political correctness has long since infected the chief executive and his administration. All of them are just so SO careful to be "respectful" and even REVERENT with regard to what is - as you correctly describe this monster - an "ignorant and primitive religion!"

How any SANE individual can continue to blather on about how Islam is "a religion of PEACE," and "one of the world's GREAT religions," simply boggles my mind.

Char

43 posted on 05/17/2005 5:54:35 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Not gonna be happy until the Hillster is sent packing, with Billery in tow. on a leash.........)
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To: CHARLITE
The Newsweak fiasco is the perfect example of what we accentuate her on fr constantly. It perfectly illustrates left wing bias,America is always wrong, in the old media and why our new media--the net, talk radio and a few t.v. stations is slowly winning the battle of how the world will one day get it's unbiased news.

We already distrust most of what we read or hear with the old/Msm./rat media. It won't be long before the rest of the country and then the world does the same. The day will come when old media rants and bias's are so obvious that they become a non factor. It's changing every day.
44 posted on 05/17/2005 5:59:21 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: rodguy911
Note this great new article which I just posted from JIHADWATCH.ORG.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1405225/posts

45 posted on 05/17/2005 6:07:29 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Not gonna be happy until the Hillster is sent packing, with Billery in tow. on a leash.........)
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To: weegee
"Since many have not been permitted religious freedom, who knows how the prisoners would react to being told that it is "okay" to read up on another faith."

Sorry, probably would not work, as most of these slime balls--AS WELL AS THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS--are ILLETERATE!

Of course we could put the Bible on tape.

HEY, just had a stroke of genius (Ok VANITY--LOL)

Why not do just that? Why not translate the Torah, especially, seeing how they hate Jews so much, as well as the Bible into Arabic and put it on tapes and play it TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY?

The ONLY other thing I can think of, which would send them "over the top," would be to play "Sheets" Byrd speeches. LOL

Now, how long do y'all think it would be (oh, about a New York minute!!) before the ACLU, sued, claiming "separation of Church and State"; "Religious persecution"; and of course, "Torture."

If it was up to me, I would fee them nothing but pork, 3 times a day and watch them "squeal." (Pun Intended)

46 posted on 05/17/2005 6:14:00 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: CHARLITE
Great piece tells it like it is Charlite.
Makes you wonder why the American press(MSM/OLD Media) constantly takes the side of the "peaceful world of the muslim terrorists".
Who the hell's side are they on anyway!!
47 posted on 05/17/2005 6:15:07 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: An American Patriot

I don't take them all as being illiterate. Of course, I would not expect them to all know English, so we could offer translated versions.

I would not force any religious texts on them, just let them know that they are not in an Islamic state and have the freedom of religion to accept or reject Islam.

There have been Al-Qaeda training manuals (including "what to do while under interrogation") captured so obviously some of them can read.


48 posted on 05/17/2005 6:18:29 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: CHARLITE
Do Muslims really revere the Koran so much more than Christians and Jews do the Bible?

Yes, it's called idolatry.

49 posted on 05/17/2005 10:17:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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