Posted on 05/17/2005 5:46:27 PM PDT by blam
Suburban streets in the grip of feral youths, says police chief
By Nigel Bunyan
(Filed: 18/05/2005)
Feral youths are running wild in suburban streets with no fear of either the police or the criminal justice system, a senior police officer said yesterday.
Chief Supt David Baines, of Greater Manchester police, spoke out as Phil Carroll, 48, continued to fight for his life after being attacked by a gang of youths he had confronted in an alleyway behind his home.
Mr Carroll, from Lower Broughton, Salford, gave chase to the gang when one of them threw a stone that hit his car. They then turned on him, punching him to the ground.
His brother John, 34, a company director, arrived at the scene a few moments later, powerless to prevent the attack.
Mr Carroll's wife, Jean, and their four children, have spent hours at his bedside in Hope Hospital, Salford, where he is critically ill with head injuries.
Mr Carroll's eldest son has flown back from Australia where he had just begun a year out after university.
Mr Baines said: "We have gangs of young people with alcohol hanging around on street corners being abusive, swearing, intimidating and causing trouble.
"They then go on to damage property or, as we have seen with Mr Carroll, to commit a very vicious and unprovoked assault.
"They are feral, have no parental control or respect for anybody and are often fuelled by alcohol. They don't give a damn about the police or the criminal justice system."
Mr Carroll's brother has already criticised people for not coming forward with information about the attack.
Mr Baines acknowledged that many in the area felt too intimidated by gangs to give evidence against them.
He said: "There are some corrosive influences in the locality where people are only too happy to intimidate those who would come forward and help the police.
"There is a lack of parental control in these specific neighbourhoods and gangs of youths are running wild.
"It is part of life for these people and the criminal justice system holds no fear for them. Their parents have been through it as well and it holds no fear for them either.''
The problem extended across the nation, Mr Baines said.
"Today it is Salford but tomorrow it will be somewhere else.''
John Carroll said he had repeatedly asked his brother to leave the area. He had refused because he had been born locally and still enjoyed living there.
Mr Carroll's neat, red-brick terrace home, in a conservation area close to Manchester United's old training ground, The Cliff, has been broken into three times in recent years.
The front door bears a Home Watch sticker as well as a sign saying "Beware of the dog".
Mr Carroll's maroon Range Rover was still parked at the back of his house yesterday, with the steel gates to the alleyway left open. In daylight, the area gives the overall impression of suburban calm.
Denis Totton, 49, who runs a taxi business, moved into the house opposite the Carroll family's home 18 months ago. His children, aged 12 and 14, play in the street, as do those of other residents.
Mr Totton said the troublemakers appeared to come from some of the notorious estates of Cheetham Hill.
"The difference between this street and 500 yards down the road is enormous - a big social gap," he said. "This street has always seemed so much safer - until now, that is.''
Another resident said: "It is a bit like New York and its gangs.
"Wherever you look now they've got these hoods on and they even put masks over their faces."
I will post the story on Phil Carroll momentarly.
So do the "bobbies"! They still carry only nightsticks
It might help if these youths were given an alternative that was more attractive than Hobbesian brutality. I'd wager these youths are consciously rejecting being the lifelong prey of the dehumanizing system in Britain in exchange for a few short years of being a glorious predator.
Because these criminals knew with 100% accuracy that the brother would not be armed...
Phil Carroll
After the first few kids get the livin' crap kicked out of them, I bet things will change.
Do they need to treat the feral youth the way feral animals are treated in other domains? When a country does not control anyone and does not punish anyone look what result happens sorry to those caught in the middle.
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!
All of the obvious solutions are obviously politically incorrect, in the U.K.
O flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again
That fought and died for
Your wee bit hill and glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again
The hills are bare now
And autumn leaves lie thick and still
O'er land that is lost now
Which those so dearly held
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again
Those days are passed now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be the nation again
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again
BUAIDH NO BAS
Oh yes, because it has done so much to eliminate gangs in LA, right?
What did they think they'd have after several generations of nanny state humanism?
How about midnight basketball?
/sarcasm
I sure am glad America doesn't have any problems with youth gangs.
If the UK keeps this up, one can make a million bucks by reshowing "Death Wish" movie in theaters. You will know the average Brits attitudes towards American concepts of gunownership and death penalty changed if the audience stands up and cheers as Charles Bronson shoots the perp point blank.
At some point, we have to admit they're feral, and deal with them that way. The current system is hopeless -- we might as well be giving vicious pit bulls public defenders, court proceedings, anger management classes, free public "education", etc. We'd get the same results we get with the feral humans. It's colossally expensive and accomplishes nothing. The hard part is exactly where and how to draw the line. What, precisely, gets you de-listed from the human race?
Commit enough crimes the common people hunt you down, or ask the government to get rid of you.
a bit of the old Ultra-Violence... yeah???
A school that taught reading, writing, and arithmetic rather than buggery, socialism, and dhimmitude might do the trick.
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