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Boomers have paid their dues to society
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | 5/18/05 | Jan Murray

Posted on 05/18/2005 10:06:08 AM PDT by qam1

Jan Murray believes boomers are right to demand your money.

I am having trouble empathising with the bleating about whose taxes will fund the ageing baby-boomer bunch in the near future. Such mean-hearted tripe. Such chutzpah - the high-chair set having a hissy fit just thinking about the load it's going to have to bear.

So, who started it and how do we stop it is what I want to know. I feel like digging out my pewter jewellery and hurling it at the next Generation-X pet who complains that his or her taxes will be supporting the likes of me because I haven't been clever enough to save for my Zimmer frame.

OK, so a decent slice of your taxes are going to have to keep us in the style we invented and will insist upon while there's breath in our used, abused (and increasingly refused) bodies. Pardon us for making up 39.76 per cent of the population.

Let's just hold that thought while I run through a few home truths.

Imagine a world without teenagers. Who invented the phenomenon? We did. The adolescent baby boomers were the social malcontents of the 50s who cut loose from the oppressive ruck and insisted on being recognised as individuals with a right to be listened to, marketed to and feared by a conservative Yesterday because we were Tomorrow - our own tomorrow, and yours.

Imagine if we had not rebelled. Elvis would have been sent back to his mum to have his mouth washed out. He would still be singing gospel in some clapboard church in Memphis, telling his grandkids how a rush of blood to his head a long time ago made him do some foolish things with his hips.

Look at it this way: the money you've been saving on dentistry - because we gave you flouride in your drinking water - is the equivalent of the tax rise you'll need to come up with on our behalf.

Between sorting my vinyls and renovating my sea-change home, I pause to wonder: why all the ingratitude and grumbling resentment? Should we have left off trying to make this a better world? Should we have just climbed the corporate ladders and left the multinationals to rip down the trees and put in their car parks?

I haven't even touched the 'f' word. This fight alone would be reason enough to drop a donation in as we pass the hat around. I'm not talking flares and fondue, either. Of course the boomers gave the world them. Just as we gave it fast-food, rock'n'roll, heart transplants, aerobics, tantric sex and the F-111. OK, so the Concorde proved to be a dud and the AK-47 was nasty, the multi-function polis never eventuated and body shirts were neither here nor there. But imagine a world without tampons, child care and equal wages.

Yes, I'm talking about feminism. Boomers went in hard on that one, and the Gen -ers who hold up half the sky today need to be reminded with each pay cheque. But that's an argument for another day. Why not just pay up and do it with a smile? Life's too short for hassles, man. Dig?


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To: qam1
Look at it this way: the money you've been saving on dentistry - because we gave you flouride in your drinking water - is the equivalent of the tax rise you'll need to come up with on our behalf.

This is a joke, right? I've ALREADY had to come up with considerably more for the boomers than the cost of braces, bridges, gold teeth, and whatever else I may have supposedly been spared in dental costs, thanks to the "flouridation" (sic) of our drinking water.

Pompous, self-important, self-delusional... Yup, that's a Boomer alright.

101 posted on 05/20/2005 4:52:27 PM PDT by Sicon
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To: Sicon
If this is a serious screed, it touts a tremendous amount of misleading statements. Boomers were not the teenage malcontents of the 50's. The first Boomer would have turned 13 in 1959. Elvis was not a Boomer. Neither was Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Bill Halley, Muddy Watters, or any other founder of rock and roll.

It seems that Boomers like to believe that if they are the target of some pop culture product or shift in the zeitgeist, they invented it.

Simply put, they were the benefactors of two very remarkable generations who preceded them (the "Greatest" and the "Lost"). They obviously had no control over this, but they like to take ownership of individuals and ideas that pre-date them.

They don't get it: John Lennon wasn't one of them. They were fans of his. They did not march in Selma, vote for civil rights legislation, go to the moon, or defeat Communism.

But my mom's a boomer, and I love her. So she's got that going for her...

102 posted on 05/21/2005 8:38:13 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: muir_redwoods
Get to it.

I have and am getting to it. I also put myself through college, and have been in business for myself for ten years. My success is mounting and you've got a very firm Conservitive in your grandchildren's corner. My only real regret was being unable to join the Armed Services.

I admit I painted my picture with broad strokes, but to get ahead in business these days is far more difficult now than it was for the Boomer Generation. One could certainly argue that there are more opportunities for we Xer's, but the cost of doing business due to the nanny state is much greater. I blame the Boomers for letting this happen, and more specifically the liberal hippie Boomers.

103 posted on 05/22/2005 8:14:06 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: clyde asbury
"I know you are but what am I" lost all effectiveness in the first grade for me.

This "it's all the boomers fault"- blaming people born within certain years for all the nation's ills and the current genx's attitude of "let them rot in the street when they're old" has a tendency to grate on the nerves. I've worked since I was 16 and I'm 50 now, paid into SSI every year since then, expect to see very little of it in return, and started another parallel retirement plan just in case. You cannot blame a group of people born in the same bank of years because things change in the world. EXPECIALLY when most of us had little or no control over those changes.

AND for the record, I was a young republican in 1972 (probably before your wisea$$ was born) working Nixon's campaign, and have worked every single GOP campaign since on one level or another. I need lip from some disrespectful snotnose youngster like I need a hole in my hip. In the words of Ms. Franklin... RESPECT. After all, we brought you into this world, and we can take you out. Make another one just like you. After all, the only reason we even HAD you genxers is ....

Organ transplants. We might need a kidney.

Thank YOU.

104 posted on 05/23/2005 8:58:44 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: numberonepal; muir_redwoods

Thus, if he fails, he has LOTS of excuses... HAHAHAHAhaahaha.....


105 posted on 05/23/2005 9:18:55 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Hi Heels
Failure is not an option. I already have enough to retire that I can't touch until then. In the mean time, I'll be earning more and more so the government can get steal half. I have not and will not blame any failure of mine on another. The difficulty of doing business was my point. The Boomers let the left gain control. Of that, there is no doubt.
106 posted on 05/23/2005 9:53:09 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: numberonepal
Online constantly, aren't you. Watch a lot of Star Trek, and even joined a trek club. Real selfish? Don't like to share? Don't necessarily want kids? Sex is casually completed and expected? Feel unloved? Don't trust and skeptical of institutions? Wary of commitment and pessimistic about the future? Give into pain and anger and are confrontal and uncooperative when you don't get your way? Cowardly when faced with emotional trauma? Adrenaline junkie? Take too many risks? Think apologizes solve the problem when you screw up? Truth and reason don't matter? Religion, pfffttt, stupid even though you've never studied the scriptures and are completely ignorant of the bible? Alcoholic? Bad hygiene? No boundaries for you, just for other people? No responsibilities unless YOU want them? Ambitious to the point of backstabbing cruelty? Have selective morals and values?

I figure if we're gonna paint with broad brushes, we'd both use one.

107 posted on 05/23/2005 10:12:56 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: qam1
I know this sounds cold, but the Baby Boomer generation is the best argument for ending Social Security tomorrow.

108 posted on 05/23/2005 10:23:55 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance." -John Philpot Curran)
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To: Hi Heels
Online constantly, aren't you.
Yes, it's the job.

Watch a lot of Star Trek, and even joined a trek club.
No.

Real selfish?
Yes. I practice rational selfishness.

Don't like to share?
Depends on what it is. If it's a portion of my life that I'm forced at the point of a gun to share, then no.

Don't necessarily want kids?
Sometimes.

Sex is casually completed and expected?
Nope. Quality over quantity - and never really completed.

Feel unloved?
Nope. Of course that's kind of difficult with a very large family.

Don't trust and skeptical of institutions?
Yep.

Wary of commitment and pessimistic about the future?
Nope. Been married for 15 years. The future's so bright I gotta wear shades.

Give into pain and anger and are confrontal and uncooperative when you don't get your way?
Nope. The 3 R's point the way: reason, rationality, and reality.

Cowardly when faced with emotional trauma?
Nope, but I have been accused of being cold hearted with faced with emotional issues like death and tragedy.

Adrenaline junkie?
Nope.

Take too many risks?
Only calculated risks, but maybe too many.

Think apologizes solve the problem when you screw up?
Nope, but it helps.

Truth and reason don't matter?
See the note above in relation to selfishness and the one below on morality.

Religion, pfffttt, stupid even though you've never studied the scriptures and are completely ignorant of the bible?
Nope, I was properly raised.

Alcoholic?
Nope, I drink very little.

Bad hygiene?
Never.

No boundaries for you, just for other people?
Boundaries are self imposed.

No responsibilities unless YOU want them?
That would be nice, but no.

Ambitious to the point of backstabbing cruelty?
Nope. I'm the quintessential "nice guy". However, I'm learning to not be so nice. I wish I had ice in my veins sometimes, but can't always seem to muster it.

Have selective morals and values?
Moral relativism is a crutch for the morally bankrupt and weak.

Check my posting history Hi Heels. It's very telling of my nature.

109 posted on 05/23/2005 10:38:59 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: numberonepal
So is my posting history AND voting history for 30 YEARS GOP since Nixon (think I've stated that 30 times, but it seems to have no impact). .

Thus the point. You don't necessarily meet all the negative criteria for your generation and shouldn't be held responsible for their shortcomings. No one should use a broad brush and paint a picture of you that isn't true.

Holding the Boomers or GenX responsible as a whole to the point of denying hardworking people food and a roof after a lifetime of work is dishonest, morally disreputable, rehensible as a society, and wrong. I've worked 35 years and put half MY money in the system, too. Just like you. And now GX'ers come around and say, "no ssi for you because your generation approved abortion and let the left take over". BULL.

Ditto for me, pal. I have just as much right to my own money as you do. I'm not responsible for Jane Fonda anymore than you are responsible for Johnny Depp or Sean Penn. There are ways to repair the system, but with attitudes like "let them starve", nothing will work. You come from a big family? Mom and Dad on SSI? Grandpa? Shouldn't we jerk the money out from under them now?

In foreign countries, families take responsibilities for their elder generations. To use that same broad brush, neither the Boomers or Gen X seem predisposed to do that.

110 posted on 05/23/2005 10:58:49 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: international american
" She notes that a lot of the late boomers got to see all bad results of the early boomers without having to experience it directly, which gives them a different perspective" Very true. The late boomers got to see some of the bad results of hedonistic leftism.

No kidding. As a late boomer myself (born 1958), I don't have anything in common with that crowd. I graduated high school in 77, and college in 81, and never even saw any of those hippie protests. We were trying to shake the Carter mallaise, then came of age during the glorious Reagan years. The difference in unfluences between the early and latter boomers is so stark that no only do I not identfy with them, I think classifying us as boomers is totally off base. Throwing us into the same catagory is intellectually lazy.

I've been pulling the wagon ever since I graduated from college, and am nowhere near the age for the receipt of any kind of benefits. Not that I expect any. I've saved for my retirement, and don't think Social Security as we know it will be around in 20 years.

111 posted on 05/23/2005 11:04:57 AM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Hi Heels
families take responsibilities for their elder generations

Yes, families, NOT government. Mom and Dad don't get SSI yet, and probably won't need it. It would be nice if they get what they were promised, but I'd doubt it. I, personally, don't expect to get anything back even though I've already paid more than most people ever will. I have no more faith in the system the way it is than I do in any pyramid scheme.

I never singled out you or anyone personally, and humbly admited paiting with a broad brush. I don't recall saying "let them starve", but I will stand firm on the point that no one has the right to pilfer my property to benifit someone else even if they are starving. One may ask for my help, but it is improper for one to demand it. If someone didn't properly prepare themselves for retirement, why is that my problem? It is morally corrupt to force one to pay for the irresposibility of others. I also don't buy in to the "society" organism. Only individuals can make responsible decisions - a society cannot.

Thanks for doing your part over the years to further the cause of freedom.

112 posted on 05/23/2005 12:16:31 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: RedWhiteBlue

Well, you are 4 years behind me, but something tells me you would have weathered the storm just as easily as I did, had you been born a few years earlier.
As for everything else you said...

BTTT


113 posted on 05/23/2005 12:28:08 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: numberonepal
"Mom and Dad don't get SSI yet, and probably won't need it."

Not everyone's mom and dad are so fortunate. Some people banked on the program that was demanded, not offered, to them. It was REQUIRED to put the money in the account. It was not an OPTION. There was no way that Joe Six Pack could determine that SSI would be overextended. They relied on their elected officials to monitor that. I certainly didn't dream the system up and don't care to take responsibility for the collapse of a system that was in place before I joined the work force. And if your parents don't need the money, let them raise your standard high and don't collect it. *shrug* They may have some objection to that notion, however.

"I, personally, don't expect to get anything back even though I've already paid more than most people ever will."

Welcome to the club. How does that make me guilty and you NOT?

"I never singled out you or anyone personally, and humbly admited paiting with a broad brush."

If you paint with a broad brush, expect to be PAINTED with one.

"I don't recall saying "let them starve""

Nope, but you ARE the one who said "the Boomers let the left take over" and your opinion of the situation was obvious. Besides, I was painting with a broad brush. I don't know what you expect to happen if seniors are denied the SSI they put in, if they are denied an income after they are too old to work. If no retirement is to come from the program they have been funding their entire life, many will starve. And if you attack a group of people simply because of when they were born, based on some preconceived notion of left wing politics and broadly accuse them of bad judgement as a whole thus eliminating their rights to money and a program they've been paying into their whole life, you can expect some to come forward and object.

Did you attack me personally? No. Did I attack YOU personally? No. Are you reacting as if I did? Yup. Maybe the problem with you Gen X'ers *whips out another broad brush* is that you're quick to point at anyone else but yourselves. Come on! Yer a brilliant, successful business man! What's the solution? How you gonna keep granny off dogchow?....

"no one has the right to pilfer my property"

DITTO. I also will not accept defamations from a self-proclaimed success, broad brushed or not, after working my fannie off my entire life. I will not be labelled by someone 20 years my junior as someone who planned poorly and lead some left wing movement. Not a chance, sonnie. There are more in my generation because our parents, your grandparents, were repopulating the country after a war. Big deal. Too many coming through SSI because of this population boom. It's a problem. System needs work. Fine. Then let's resolve a problem, not reward hard work with a slap in the face.

114 posted on 05/23/2005 2:09:53 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: numberonepal
Lyndon Johnson's Great Society and all the affirmative action crap was voted on when I was 16. In those days they didn't let us vote until we were 21 so there wasn't a lot I could do about it. I have voted in every election since they let me and I never voted for a welfare state.

The hippies didn't vote for a nanny state, they didn't vote at all. The creators of the nanny state are the left-over FDR Democrats like LBJ and the rest of those lunkheads who thought they could micro-manage a war in Asia from Washington and keep it off center stage in the process. 50,000 good but dead American boys was the cost of that miscalculation

Your anger is justified but your target is wrong. FDR and his evil offspring LBJ and the rest of the New Deal, New Frontier democrats are the problem. A few are still around and when they're not drowning interns or swilling Dewar's they are still voting to screw us.

115 posted on 05/23/2005 2:47:31 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: poobear
"It's the "Greatest Generation" that put tax hold on ALL of us with all their welfare programs!"

Amen. While I bemoan generational warfare, after all, it's not like every generation hasn't had their share of commie whackjobs but the generation that preceded boomers gave us social security, the new deal, the great society and let Stalin run amok when we could have stopped him and the cold war right then and there. Instead Truman though "he could do business" with him. And they call Bush stupid.

The "greatest generation" ushered in wealth redistribution and a socialist trend that this country will never reverse.

The villain in all this isn't a generation, it's a commie mindset that's infiltrated both political parties, just one more than the other.

See my tagline.

116 posted on 05/23/2005 3:02:47 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Maybe instead of all the Rebelling, your generation should have gone to work and help build our future. Now your kind will just bankrupt the county.

56,000 Boomers listed have donated more than enough to buy a few more Rap songs for your I-Pod or what ever the hell it is you kids have stuck in your ears 24/7.

Or maybe the Boomers who took Dow from 600 to 10,000 over the course of their careers didn't provide enough luxury for "Your Type". Let's see if your generation can pull that one off. If you can, paying Social Security for us "greedy gezzers" will seem like chump change.



117 posted on 05/23/2005 3:07:23 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: qam1

never has a generation got more from a country than the boomer left,

and destroyed the hand that fed them.


118 posted on 05/23/2005 3:10:56 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: poobear
I don't want a dime from anyone!

So what will you do with your SS check?

Try to send it back? Donate the amount to charity? Other?

I ask because your statement is refreshing and I'm surprised by it. Most boomers I see whining on the SS threads insist they only "deserve" to "get back what they put in".

119 posted on 05/23/2005 3:17:27 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: Hi Heels

Don't you get it??

SS is NOT your money, even if you were foolish enough to believe what the gubmint told you all these years.


120 posted on 05/23/2005 3:20:54 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: poobear

The company my husband contracts out to said all contractors should incorporate their business, since self employment tax is all SS and medicare. The amount saved from that will be invested.


121 posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:37 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Walk Softly, For a Dream is Born)
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To: k2blader
Don't you get it??

No, she doesn't - look at her posts again.

She is shrill and irrational and refuses everything except the government teat.
122 posted on 05/23/2005 3:33:06 PM PDT by clyde asbury
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To: Wombat101

Professional student was a good one.


123 posted on 05/23/2005 3:34:21 PM PDT by dc27
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To: Proud_texan

What I do not get about the "Greatest Generation" L Many of them lived through the Depression and knew how to save and such. Yet, they complain about not being taken care of now?


124 posted on 05/23/2005 3:37:06 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Walk Softly, For a Dream is Born)
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To: HungarianGypsy
I'm not sure that they are complaining other than the stories that appear in the MSM and I don't hold much faith that those stories are representive. I might be wrong but I think I saw a poll where they were the most supportive groups of private SS accounts. Don't hold me to that, my memory ain't what it once was.

I suspect that they were also the generation that got hit the hardest by the inflation of the 70s. There wasn't much personal investment at their top earning period (it was a very, very different market) and probably the only asset that might have appreciated was real estate and that's not always a given and then at the time they would have cashed out they were paying pretty heavy capital gains.

Purely a guess however, I'm sure there are serious and factual writings on it (but I couldn't find anything with a quick search).

125 posted on 05/23/2005 3:50:23 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: clyde asbury

Sometimes I post rhetorical questions in place of what I would really like to say. It gets a little of the frustration out without getting me banned. :-)


126 posted on 05/23/2005 3:55:30 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: clyde asbury; Admin Moderator

How charming.


127 posted on 05/23/2005 4:06:13 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: k2blader

You mean banned by the California Boomer who created and maintains this board?.......


128 posted on 05/23/2005 4:09:46 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Proud_texan

I think you may be onto something. My old Deacon made a bad decision to open a business in his sunset years using his house as collateral. As a result, when the business failed, they were stuck paying the house note on SSI, a very difficult thing to do since the note took all of one of their checks. If he hadn't made that investment, he would have paid off his home and been able to live semi-comfortably but certainly not posh. To compensate, they rented out rooms in their home.


129 posted on 05/23/2005 4:16:08 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Hi Heels
You mean banned by the California Boomer who created and maintains this board?.......

Yes. He bans idiots, regardless of age.

Keep talking. You're only confirming the worst stereotypes about boomers.

I know there are many in that generation that don't conform to negative stereotypes.

You have done them no justice on this thread.
130 posted on 05/23/2005 4:18:44 PM PDT by clyde asbury
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To: ozzymandus

Aren't you brave enough to insult the dolts to their faces?

Nothing tackier than a collective insult.


131 posted on 05/23/2005 4:20:31 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: clyde asbury

Funny, your diatribe has supported every word I've said about Gen X. Now, can you debate without personal insult? Or is that your only means of defense?


132 posted on 05/23/2005 4:24:36 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Hi Heels
Yeah, there just wasn't the broad participation in the stock market back then. There were any discount brokers and I recall that even my smallest trades carried a $100+ commission. Some people might have had CDs or government bonds but even the latter weren't easy to get/cheap unless you lived in a FRB city.

And inflation in the 70s was brutal and, at least where I was (California) the increase in real estate prices didn't keep up because of 16% mortgage rates (yes, kids, 16%.)coupled with wage and price controls that controlled wage increases but didn't seem to control prices put a real damper on the market.

Unless you were nimble you could get hosed pretty bad. I do remember scarfing up a load of 90 day T-Bills at (I think) 18% and some high interest CD's at some very iffy S&L's that fortunately didn't go belly up, but if one was starting a marginally captalized business 99 out of 100 were doomed out of the gate.

133 posted on 05/23/2005 4:28:45 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Hi Heels
..can you debate without personal insult?

If you see a personal insult in my comments, you have misunderstood. Please point it out to me privately. I will be happy to explain further.
134 posted on 05/23/2005 4:31:23 PM PDT by clyde asbury
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To: Proud_texan

Yep, the market was viewed with skeptisism and fear. A fool's game. We recently found a bunch of International Harvester stock owned by my Grandfather during that time. He was using it as a bookmark. Got it as a bonus when he worked there. I also remember the housing market when we first came out of school. I'm in California, too. It was more of the house owning YOU than you owning the house. Now I see the elderly with their homes paid off barely making ends meet, and their homes are falling apart with no money to fix them. Sad really.


135 posted on 05/23/2005 4:40:32 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: steve-b
I agree. Fluoride in the water means less visits to the dentist, which means fewer opportunities to read the Readers Digests in the waiting room. Without the exposure to the all-American Readers Digest, we are all more vulnerable to Communist propaganda.

At least, I think that's how it goes.

136 posted on 05/23/2005 5:09:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport them all; let Fox sort them out.)
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To: k2blader

Let's see if you get it. We're the biggest voting block ever. Will continue to be for a long, long time. Our retirement is in danger. We'll vote accordingly. Gen X's retirement is doomed. Doomed. I don't like that anymore than I like my own situation. Like I said, time to find a resolution. I have a retirement account. In addition to SSI. Lots don't. Lots of older folk are going to hurt as a result in the future. That can't be ignored or avoided, unfortunately. Haven't seen anything posted here that will resolve the issue, though.


137 posted on 05/23/2005 5:41:32 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Proud_texan; international american

All of you people are fighting the wrong enemy.

It isn't generational, it's attitudinal. You can all find examples of people in their thirties who have gamed the system, and will ride a "disability" into their sunset.

And you also know folks in their seventies who may still be holding down two jobs.

So what's the problem? I'll give you an example: A few years ago, here in Maryland, teachers rode buses to Annapolis to demand increases in the tax burden. Yep! Increases.

Why would they do that? Because a small increase in their personal taxes would be greatly offset by a large increase in their negotiated salaries.

Who do you suppose rode to Annapolis to lobby against them?

No one. -- We all had to work.

There are problems inherent in a system where the squeaky wheel gets the grease, especially when some wheels do a lot of squeaking even though they have a "liberal" amount of "grease."

Pick your battles ... but always pick the right enemy to fight.


138 posted on 05/23/2005 5:55:26 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Our civil masters think they can decide what is good for us better than we can decide it ourselves.)
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To: Ditto
"56,000 Boomers listed have donated more than enough"

America has been through many wars, and we have lost millions of lives through fighting. Yet no other generation has demanded such high benefits as the baby boomers. Baby boomers are the most self-serving generation America has ever seen, and now they are claiming to have the right to bankrupt the country by voting themselves unsustainable welfare benefits(ss). The boomers justify their greed in the most predictable way - by throwing Vietnam in our face.
139 posted on 05/23/2005 6:52:27 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com
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To: Proud_texan

Thank you.


140 posted on 05/23/2005 8:05:35 PM PDT by poobear
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To: k2blader
You have no idea what an idiot you are. Educated or not!
141 posted on 05/23/2005 8:07:51 PM PDT by poobear
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To: HungarianGypsy

Not so, have him check the tax attorney. An independant contractor must pay ALL FICA and FED withholilding. Sorry.


142 posted on 05/23/2005 8:12:01 PM PDT by poobear
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To: stands2reason

OK, nothing tackier than a clueless dolt who stumbles onto a thread 5 days late. Is that bravely in your clueless dolt face enough?


143 posted on 05/23/2005 9:55:04 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

OMG! I violated the Time Limit! (/sarcasm)

The last comments on it were current, I'm afraid.

Glad to see you can insult people directly! Good for you.


144 posted on 05/23/2005 10:37:34 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: stands2reason

Thank you very much.


145 posted on 05/23/2005 10:39:20 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
America has been through many wars, and we have lost millions of lives through fighting. Yet no other generation has demanded such high benefits as the baby boomers.

Exactly what benefits have Boomers demanded?

146 posted on 05/24/2005 4:33:42 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Wombat101

Well, I am a bit older than a boomer but yall best not forget that we have big, big estates. Better be nice to us, you hear now?


147 posted on 05/24/2005 4:36:05 AM PDT by cajungirl ({no})
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To: cajungirl

Not unless I'm in the will, Sugarshorts...


148 posted on 05/24/2005 4:40:19 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
America has been through many wars, and we have lost millions of lives through fighting.

Through all 229 years, the total count far under 1 million KIA.

149 posted on 05/24/2005 4:41:33 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Wombat101

That is real sweet, calling me sugarshorts. I like it.

Aren't you in some boomer's will? Most young people are. You see yall think we are all "using it up" and taking it all. We have been in a way, I agree with that. But most of us are "hoarding" for the next two generations.

So a huge transfer of money is going to occur in the next thirty odd years from us pre boomers and boomers to our children and theirs. Our kids will be in their fifties for the most part and will be prudent with it and with their children's part.

I do think that will solidify a chasm in American life between the haves and the have nots and for that reason think repeal of the estate tax may be a bad thing. My children and grandchildren won't support that however anticipating dividing the spoils and Grannie and Gramps pass over.


150 posted on 05/24/2005 4:55:25 AM PDT by cajungirl ({no})
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