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The Case for the Empire
Weekly Standard ^ | May 16, 2002 | Jonathan V. Last

Posted on 05/18/2005 5:56:39 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: KJacob

It makes perfect sense. Conservatives used to hate empire, now they since the Iraq war they are defending it. I suppose that the Weekly Standard will organize a public burning of the Declaration of Independence one of these days as penance for trying to create a decentralized republic rather than remain loyal subjects of George III in the greatest empire of world history.


21 posted on 05/18/2005 6:42:06 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: West Coast Conservative
I felt the Empire was like the Nazis without the genocidal leanings. Yes, they blew up planets, destroyed opposing orangizations (Jedi Order) and was harsh to their enemies. But they didn't actually seek out and kill certain races.

I can even understand the destruction of Alderaan, remember Leia was elected by Alderaan by the people of that planet to represent them in the Galactic Senate. Since Leia was a tratior, ergo, those who vote for her are probably traitors too.

On the other the Rebellion was basically much like the 60's radical with more firepower. And we have all seen the evil that the 60's radicals have created when they are in power, we currently call them the Democratic party.

Now both the Rebellion and the Empire are evil organization, but at least the Empire had it's act together and I could respect them for that.

22 posted on 05/18/2005 6:46:06 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Austin Willard Wright
please!

This article was written a year before the war even started. Exactly what empire are we defending? Sorry but neither the US nor Iraq qualifies as an Empire even in the loosest definition of the word.

23 posted on 05/18/2005 6:49:49 PM PDT by KJacob (If I yawn it is only in anticipation.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

"Conservatives used to hate empire, now they since the Iraq war they are defending it."

I don't buy this America is an empire stuff. Going to war in Iraq was not about creating an empire. We do not rule that country. They do not pay us tribute. It is the other way around. We pay them money. Great Britain was an empire, so was Rome. America is not an empire.


24 posted on 05/18/2005 7:02:11 PM PDT by faq
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To: West Coast Conservative

Some one has way too much time on their hands. They need to get a real job, pay taxes and support the people on welfare.


25 posted on 05/18/2005 7:02:27 PM PDT by antiunion person (For the Preservation of the United States, WE Need to Close Down the Borders.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright; Destro
You understand that this article is about the Empire in kids' movies, right? And that we don't actually know jack about what the rebels were rebelling for, or the state of the Republic, other than the minimal exposure given in Lucas' MOVIES (see, there's that word again, MOVIES). If there were an evil admiral-choking, country-destroying monster out there, I don't think that joking here about how great the fictitious Galactic Empire was would twist anyone's perspective on that.

But you two can act all sanctimonious and as if Star Wars is real if you want. You've got plenty of company, after all. I promise we'll try not to judge you on the basis of the company you keep.

26 posted on 05/18/2005 7:09:42 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: faq

A lot of you guys are taking this way too seriously. The article was written largely as a send up. It is hilarious and brilliant bit of devil's advocacy.


27 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:13 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: faq
Actually we are. We fought a war with Mexico in 1800's for the sole purpose of taking part of their land in the West since we couldn't get it through other means. We haven't taken over another's land in many years though.
28 posted on 05/18/2005 7:17:43 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: LibertarianInExile

I like the Sith.


29 posted on 05/18/2005 7:32:57 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: libertarianben

"Actually we are."

No, we are not.

em-pire: A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.

In what way does that describe America?


30 posted on 05/18/2005 7:38:48 PM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: L98Fiero
em-pire: A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.

In what way does that describe America?

Well, America indisputably has an extensive territory - the fourth largest nation in the world - and it is ruled by a single Supreme Court.

31 posted on 05/18/2005 7:44:41 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Jeff F

EXACTLY.

Some people PREFER to keep their panties in a wad, evidently.


32 posted on 05/18/2005 7:45:19 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: pbrown

So does everyone else--what's most folks favorite movie of the Trilogy? Empire. What will they prefer of the first three? Revenge of the Sith.

Good villains almost always get better lines than heroes, too.


33 posted on 05/18/2005 7:47:20 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: AntiGuv; L98Fiero

"Well, America indisputably has an extensive territory - the fourth largest nation in the world - and it is ruled by a single Supreme Court."

He's got ya there...


34 posted on 05/18/2005 7:48:04 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: LibertarianInExile
I believe the Sith are better than the Jedi according to all their games. In the games, the Jedi counsel don't teach the Jedi all "THEY" know, they don't want the Jedi to be able to challenge them.

The Sith on the other hand, teach their pulpis "ALL" they know to make them stronger.

That's it in a nutshell when gaming.

I'll be rooting for the Sith.

35 posted on 05/18/2005 7:52:16 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Destro
But the most compelling evidence that the Empire isn't evil comes in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Darth Vader is battling Luke Skywalker

And that sort of deluded thinking is what is completely wrong with what's left of 'conservatism'. Your statement unfortunately is spot on. How many would gladly accept a Chancellor Palpatine as long as he was on the 'right' side and whose actions would agree with their world view?

36 posted on 05/18/2005 7:53:24 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: pbrown

pupils....sorry


37 posted on 05/18/2005 7:53:32 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: billbears

Many conservatives have morphed into what Libertarians (I am not one) have termed "Statists".


38 posted on 05/18/2005 7:56:05 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

I disagree with the big L party stance on a few things but I'm finding more to agree with them over the past few years than anything from any other party. Still consider myself a small l person though


39 posted on 05/18/2005 7:59:34 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Destro

Yeah, they're called neo-cons.


40 posted on 05/18/2005 8:09:11 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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