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Dealing with design [Evolution vs. Creationism]
Nature Magazine ^ | 28 April 2005 | Editorial staff

Posted on 05/20/2005 11:23:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Cruising Speed; TexasKamaAina
Everthing that begins to exist has a causal factor.

There is no "conservation of causality" law in physics. Some things appear to science to have uncaused beginnings, and there is deep theoretical support for their uncausedness. You'd have trouble getting the electrons to flow through your computer and do useful work, were it not for uncaused quantum behaviors.

The universe had no beginning and so does not require a creator.

According to science, The universe gives a darn good imitation of having a beginning, if it ain't the real thing, and science stands mute on whether this requires a creator or not. It also stands even more mute on whether a continuously existing universe requires a creator or not.

461 posted on 05/26/2005 4:20:28 PM PDT by donh
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To: MacDorcha
It would have to do with your assertion that I have only specualtion to base my claims of atheism's correaltion with "isues"

It's the same as homosexuality and depression. It's a psychological PROBLEM that one has.

Stop posting incomprehensible squibs like this to me. Either provide me with context, or make a full argument, in standard sentence/paragraph form that I can comprehend and respond to. This is a waste of the reader's bandwidth.

462 posted on 05/26/2005 4:26:24 PM PDT by donh
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To: MacDorcha
"This [athiests have to move to communist countries] is obviously wrong, based on innumerable field studies. "

Would these be the same "studies" that provided that psychologists call homoexuality "perfectly normal"?

No, this would be related to the fact that millions of athiests have lived perfectly ordinary lives here in the US, which is, at least on paper, not a communist country.

Communism does not allow people to do with their money as they see fit.

As a matter of current implementation, It does so, about to the same degree as, say, Sweden, and not all that different from the US. I don't know about you, but the government takes about half my money here in the US, before I ever get a chance to do anything with it. If that's capitalism, I'm a flying pig.

That's the economic theory, and that's why Christian philosphies are rejected in Communist intistitutions.

It most certainly is not. Christian philosophies are rejected for putting people's brains to sleep, so they don't pay attention to how screwed over they are by the institution of private property. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "opiate of the people?"

463 posted on 05/26/2005 4:51:23 PM PDT by donh
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"It most certainly is not. Christian philosophies are rejected for putting people's brains to sleep, so they don't pay attention to how screwed over they are by the institution of private property. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "opiate of the people?""

I believe you meant "opiate of the masses" and guess what, that's your boy Freud's quote.

You sound like a socialist appologist.

And btw, if the US government takes 50% of your money, quit winning the lottery. Income taxes aren't that high. Not even for top-teir bread-winners.


464 posted on 05/29/2005 3:47:09 PM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: donh

Context: As has been stated, every well-known atheist has major issues with religion. Not from intellect, but from psychology.

The lesser-known atheists (in my experiences) have the same thing in common with homosexuals and other troubled minds: They are mentally disturbed.

Enough context I hope. Connect the dots.


465 posted on 05/29/2005 3:49:43 PM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: js1138

Ernt! Wrong!

Being rich is NOT against the teachings of Jesus.

Being GREEDY is the character flaw. Simply making money is not enough to deny you Heaven, it is refusal to do well with what you have that is wrong.


466 posted on 05/30/2005 10:16:10 AM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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I'm glad to hear that the camel's eye thing is a misprint.


467 posted on 05/31/2005 6:04:04 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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Lol! The way you said it, it proves that YOU got a misprint.

It's a "camel through the eye of a needle"

And as I recall, the man's choice to use his wealth as he sees fit is a VERY important aspect of the Word. Freedom to use his money is what makes "becoming poor" so important to the rich man.


468 posted on 05/31/2005 7:08:08 AM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: js1138

Oh, and in addition: Jesus chose His words real carefully.

"It is harder for a rich man to get into Heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle"

Does it say "impossible" anywhere in there? Very difficult, sure, but impossible? You may want to re-read the Bible if you're going to argue anything within it's teachings.


469 posted on 05/31/2005 7:15:27 AM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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