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Dealing with design [Evolution vs. Creationism]
Nature Magazine ^ | 28 April 2005 | Editorial staff

Posted on 05/20/2005 11:23:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The idea of intelligent design is being promoted in schools and universities in the United States and Europe. Rather than ignoring it, scientists need to understand its appeal and help students recognize the alternatives.

Scientists tend to tune out when they hear the words 'intelligent design'. The concept, which endeavours to show God's hand shaping the course of evolution, is being promoted in parts of Europe and, more significantly, has recently become popular among Christian fundamentalists who want religion taught in US secondary schools. To most researchers it sounds like politics rather than science, and like someone else's problem.

Mixing as it does the supernatural with scientific doctrine, the concept is a throwback to the days when natural philosophers pursued pseudoscientific disciplines such as alchemy. But the scientific community should not ignore it. As the article on page 1062 reveals, the concept is gaining popularity on US college campuses.

That is because many of the students taught in introductory biology classes hold religious beliefs that conflict, at least on the face of things, with Darwin's framework. Professors rarely address the conflicts between faith and science in lectures, and students are drawn to intelligent design as a way of reconciling their beliefs with their interest in science. In doing so, they are helping it to gain a small, but firm, foothold on campuses around the country.

This is bad news for researchers. Unlike 'creation science', which uses the Bible as its guide, intelligent design tries to use scientific methods to find evidence of God in nature. This approach makes it less theologically heavy-handed than its predecessor, but it also poses a threat to the very core of scientific reason. Most contemporary researchers believe that it is better to keep science and theology firmly separated. Most theologians would agree: intelligent design is not a part of Catholic doctrine, for example.

So what can scientists do to counter the appeal of intelligent design? The concept's advocates frequently approach researchers with offers of campus-wide 'Darwin versus design' debates. Such events tend to be well attended, but don't change many minds. Furthermore, ill-prepared scientific lectures can sometimes lack the superficial impact of design advocates' carefully crafted talking points.

Scientists know that natural selection can explain the awe-inspiring complexities of organisms, and should be prepared to explain how. But attacking or dismissing intelligent design is likely to aggravate the rift between science and faith that causes students to become interested in intelligent design in the first place.

Scientists would do better to offer some constructive thoughts of their own. For religious scientists, this may involve taking the time to talk to students about how they personally reconcile their beliefs with their research. Secular researchers should talk to others in order to understand how faiths have come to terms with science. All scientists whose classes are faced with such concerns should familiarize themselves with some basic arguments as to why evolution, cosmology and geology are not competing with religion. When they walk into the lecture hall, they should be prepared to talk about what science can and cannot do, and how it fits in with different religious beliefs.

Some will be troubled by the suggestion that they discuss these issues in the classroom. Indeed, it is not the job of a science teacher to meddle with the way their students are brought up or to attack their core personal beliefs. Rather, the goal should be to point to options other than intelligent design for reconciling science and belief.

Even if they manage to sway just a few students, researchers in the United States can have a disproportionate effect on the national debate over science in the classroom. Students often return to their home communities and become teachers, doctors and engineers. It is as local community leaders that those students will become invaluable allies when more conservative religious groups try to halt the teaching of scientific theories in schools.


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1 posted on 05/20/2005 11:23:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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Intelligent Design is based in Science and Math. The Greatest Scientists in the world adhere to ID because they truly understand the complexity.


explain Phi- if it's all randomn.


2 posted on 05/20/2005 11:25:38 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Where were you when Tom Delay demanded justice?!)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 280 names.
See the list's description at my freeper homepage.
Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

3 posted on 05/20/2005 11:25:47 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Let the flaming begin.


4 posted on 05/20/2005 11:26:46 AM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: PatrickHenry

I usually avoid these threads but every so often I toss my opinion out there.


I believe in some form of evolution but also believe it is Gods doing.


5 posted on 05/20/2005 11:27:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Oh, geesh.

You guys haven't worked all this out by now?


6 posted on 05/20/2005 11:27:23 AM PDT by Skooz (Property Taxes are Immoral)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
The Greatest Scientists in the world adhere to ID

yeah, sure.

7 posted on 05/20/2005 11:28:20 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: PatrickHenry

"It is as local community leaders that those students will become invaluable allies when more conservative religious groups try to halt the teaching of scientific theories in schools."

Give me a specific instance where "conservative religious groups" are trying to HALT the teaching of scientific THEORIES in schools. I'll be waiting.


8 posted on 05/20/2005 11:28:24 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


9 posted on 05/20/2005 11:29:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: LauraleeBraswell
explain Phi- if it's all randomn.

Explain your inability to capitalize and spell simple words.

10 posted on 05/20/2005 11:29:32 AM PDT by Archangelsk (Handbasket, hell. Get used to the concept.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I ask who designed the designer of the designer of the designer of the designer?

Because if there IS a designer there IS a designer of the designer.

FACT!


11 posted on 05/20/2005 11:30:25 AM PDT by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Intelligent Design is based in Science and Math.

Sheer Bologna!

The Greatest Scientists in the world adhere to ID because they truly understand the complexity.

Name three of The Greatest Scientist in the World. Now name one of them who believes in Intelligent Design and *NOT* in Christian-fundamentalist Creationism.

explain Phi- if it's all randomn.

Meaningless. Now explain rho. Explain zeta. Continue at your leisure.

12 posted on 05/20/2005 11:31:43 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: cripplecreek
"I believe in some form of evolution but also believe it is Gods doing."

In a nut-shell, the arguments against that say why would good set up something without a purpose.

by hey, these ideas affect how we live day to day so I hope we figure something out. : D

13 posted on 05/20/2005 11:34:10 AM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: Skooz

No, although a lot of us just finished talking ourselves to a stand-still over on the thread that got moved to the "Smoky Back Room." No hurt feelings though, and I'm really hopeful that we heard each other, and will continue to study and think about these things.


14 posted on 05/20/2005 11:35:59 AM PDT by walden
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To: PatrickHenry
"The concept, which endeavours to show God's hand shaping the course of evolution, is being promoted in parts of Europe and, more significantly, has recently become popular among Christian fundamentalists who want religion taught in US secondary schools....."

Makes you wonder if there is anyone at all at Nature who is the least bit informed about religion, religious movements or education in America.

15 posted on 05/20/2005 11:36:34 AM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: balrog666


3 of the greatest Scientist well, that's an opinion question.


I think the question should be "Find me a great Scientist who DOES NOT believe in GOD."


16 posted on 05/20/2005 11:38:12 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Where were you when Tom Delay demanded justice?!)
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To: PatrickHenry
This is surprisingly accomodationist for Nature, given that they don't really have much of an ID movement in the UK and thus no need to cater to IDers in the way they advocate that we in the US do.

I agree that as teachers we shouldn't go out of our way to attack or even criticize ID - after all, we don't go after phlogiston or alchemy either - but I think the best way to confront ID is to do a better job of teaching evolutionary biology.

17 posted on 05/20/2005 11:39:26 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: cripplecreek

"I believe in some form of evolution but also believe it is Gods doing."

Me too.

I've even shown a number of hard-core anti-evolutionists how Genesis can be harmonized with evolution and all I get is hateful responses.

Of course, the anti-religious Darwinist zelots aren't any better.

I feel a bit like Luxenberg, trapped between France and Germany.


18 posted on 05/20/2005 11:39:26 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: cripplecreek
"I believe in some form of evolution but also believe it is God's doing."

So life as we see it occurred by purely naturalistic causes, but you also believe it was by supernatural cause?

19 posted on 05/20/2005 11:40:20 AM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

"explain Phi- if it's all randomn. "

You don't believe all that "Phi" nonsense in DaVinci Code, do you? Most of that "Phi" data he cited was erroneous.


20 posted on 05/20/2005 11:42:38 AM PDT by Blzbba (Let them hate us as long as they fear us - Caligula)
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