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To: Mark in the Old South
There is much testament from Union solders caught by surprise by a slave fighting for his country, The SOUTH.

How could that be? Did the slave have citizenship? No, of course not. Therefore, it can't by definition be his country.

Statements like that are unbelievable. Just a cursory knowledge of the law of the land should prohibit one from even making that argument!


12 posted on 05/21/2005 2:09:53 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: rdb3
Did the slave have citizenship? No, of course not. Therefore, it can't by definition be his country.

Helsinki syndrome, perhaps?

16 posted on 05/21/2005 2:15:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: rdb3
How could that be? Did the slave have citizenship? No, of course not. Therefore, it can't by definition be his country.

Brilliant!

Any black man or woman who voluntarily fought for the Confederacy was a damn fool.

17 posted on 05/21/2005 2:16:43 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: rdb3
What country do you think he was a part? He was a slave in the Union as well. By your line of reasoning he wasn't a part of the Union either.

I'm sorry but I think your line of thinking is the stupid one. There is no logic to it, all feelings and emoting.
21 posted on 05/21/2005 2:28:34 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: rdb3

"Did the slave have citizenship? No..."

This technically was correct. However, many "slaves" in the South were considered members of the family. Only about 20% of Southerners owned slaves. Of those only about 20% owned more than one slave. Most of them were field hands or helped in the house. They were called by the children "Uncle" or "Aunt". They certainly felt this was their country. In fact the first uniformed black troop was "The First South Carolina Volunteers" organized in 1862.


80 posted on 05/22/2005 5:49:31 AM PDT by Humal
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To: rdb3; Mark in the Old South

"How could that be? Did the slave have citizenship? No, of course not. Therefore, it can't by definition be his country."

Could you tell the soldiers in the U.S. Army who aren't U.S. citizens that? I'm sure they will appreciate the knowledge that the U.S. isn't and never will be their country.

As there are foreigners in the U.S. Army today, there were during the Civil War blacks fighting for the South because they anticipated being granted their freedom--not because they had it, because they wanted it. There were blacks fighting for America during the American Revolution given the same incentive.


81 posted on 05/22/2005 5:56:56 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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