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N.H. police chief's tactics stir a storm on immigration
Boston Globe ^ | May 22, 2005 | Yvonne Abraham

Posted on 05/22/2005 7:12:56 AM PDT by Jim Noble

NEW IPSWICH, N.H. -- W. Garrett Chamberlain, chief of police in this bucolic town near the Massachusetts border, was tired of having to release the undocumented immigrants his officers had picked up on routine stops, so he decided to do something about it: He would cite them for trespassing. A few weeks ago, one of Chamberlain's officers came upon Jorge Mora Ramirez, who was making a phone call from his car. Questioned by the officer, Ramirez, a 21-year-old who is Mexican, admitted he was in the country illegally, Chamberlain said. The chief called Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, but they declined to send someone over to pick up Ramirez. Chamberlain applied the only state statute he could think of. ''My position was: If Mr. Ramirez was in the country illegally, he was obviously in the town of New Ipswich illegally," Chamberlain said. His initiative has made him a hero to critics of US immigration policy, who argue that ordinary citizens and police officers must step in to fill the gaps left by federal authorities unable or unwilling to enforce the laws consistently. But his actions have appalled immigrants' advocates, who say he is misusing the trespassing statute and is overstepping his authority.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; lamigra; mexico
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Can any of you who live in states where this is a big problem explain to me who or what exactly is the constituency for NOT arresting and deporting this scum immediately?

It doesn't make sense. I can see people who are not adversely impacted being indifferent to the illegals (live and let live), but the illegals seem to have powerful friends in high places.

Who? and why?

I would think that rounding them up and expelling them would make the man who did it a hero.

What am I missing?

1 posted on 05/22/2005 7:12:56 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
This sounds like a job for Writ of Mandamus!
2 posted on 05/22/2005 7:18:41 AM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Jim Noble; Travis McGee; Squantos; Noumenon; Lurker; Grampa Dave; B4Ranch; joanie-f; Dukie
Great. Good on this Police Chief! IMHO, we need tens of thousands more just like him.
3 posted on 05/22/2005 7:18:53 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jim Noble

I can do this in three words, others may use more for a more accurate explication:

demonrats: votes.

Republicans: Cheap labor.

Note that I *DID NOT* say I'm in agreement...


4 posted on 05/22/2005 7:19:40 AM PDT by Felis_irritable
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To: Jim Noble

What exactly is an immigrants' advocate ? Is this a paid position ? Benefits ?


5 posted on 05/22/2005 7:21:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Felis_irritable

Except the RINOs are trying real hard to find the votes too IMHO.


6 posted on 05/22/2005 7:22:03 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jim Noble

The problem is that most of these people really are just harmless folks going about the ordinary business of life. They've been led down the primrose path as much as have native born Americans. When the government is so feckless that it doesn't even inquire into the status of actual criminals; and has no border control in place to make sure that actual criminals don't enter and re-enter the country at will, it makes it somewhat difficult to appluad the arrest of some basically law abiding person whose only crime is being in the country illegally. Along with the sob story wife and kids, of course.

So, I appreciate what this police chief is trying to do, but his actions are not really a solution. There won't be any solution to this until we get border control and come to resolve that we've got a right to pick and choose who enters this country, know who they are, know how long they are going to stay and what they are going to be doing while here, and ensure that they leave on time.

If we really need hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to come here and work, fine. But lets make sure we actually get solid citizens, who are not likely to end up on welfare, let their employment comply with all labor laws, taxes, etc. that pertain to US Citizens.

What amazes me are the stories about the families that have been here two decades, own homes, businesses, etc. and it is only when the oldest child applies to college that their status as illegals is "discovered". Something is very out of whack with the whole situation.


7 posted on 05/22/2005 7:24:07 AM PDT by jocon307 (Legal immigrant Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: jocon307
So what are you saying is the only solution?

Armed insurrection by the citizens and legal residents?

10 posted on 05/22/2005 7:39:34 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: jocon307
basically law abiding person whose only crime is being in the country illegally

Sorry, but then by definition he is not law abiding.

If more Police Chiefs and Sheriffs do this...a whole lot more...the solution will be forced on the congress critters from the bottom up.

11 posted on 05/22/2005 7:41:18 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jim Noble

If the state can pick and choose what laws it wants to enforce, we're looking at anarchy.

I'd say citizens should have the ability to exercise a similar anaylsis of laws.

So when a defendant is on trial for committing crimes against the state - filling a puddle with sand, telling lies to a bureaucrat or owning an "assault rifle" - it must be within our purview to judge the offender not guilty.


12 posted on 05/22/2005 7:44:41 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Felis_irritable
demonrats: votes.

But they don't vote-so that can't be it.

13 posted on 05/22/2005 7:45:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Wurlitzer

Unfortunately these people are too stupid to realize that it is their culture that made their lives so miserable that they ran away.


But then they get here and try to recreate the culture that they ran away from. Why? In part, human nature. Whether we consciously love it or hate them, we will always crave things that make us feel "at home". Our immigrant ancestors did this as well. The problem is that it may be harder to assimilate these folks when Mexico is right across the border. In addition, we didn't have welfare, costly social services, or a PC culture (demonizing assimilation) when earlier waves of immigrants arrived. Lastly, its already pretty crowded where I live. More immigration will just make things worse.


14 posted on 05/22/2005 7:46:49 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Uhhuh35
Large cities with large numbers of illegals act as "sanctuary" cities for illegals. Laws won't apply to them

But why?

Who is it, that votes, or otherwise influences public officials, that supports this insanity?

15 posted on 05/22/2005 7:47:38 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Jim Noble

I think the President certainly supports it, or with his power something would get done about it.


16 posted on 05/22/2005 7:52:24 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: jocon307
***, own homes, businesses, etc. ***

Would that etc. include paying taxes?

17 posted on 05/22/2005 7:52:34 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (RINOs forget who brought them to this dance)
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To: Jim Noble
''We have to prioritize who we take into detention," Van Pelt said. ''The immigration system is not set up to detain or lock up every alien who is in the US illegally. If it were, there would have to be jails stretching from the Pacific to the Atlantic." (note: Van Pelt is an ICE spokesperson) How about cold weather work camps? How about asset, followed by detention in a cold weather work camps, asset seizure, then deportation? Why are we paying taxes? For "Ticket-or-Click-it" ads? How about enforcing the law?
18 posted on 05/22/2005 7:53:36 AM PDT by jackieaxe (English speaking, tax paying, law abiding citizen.)
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. . .some basically law abiding person whose only crime is being in the country illegally.

Did this sentence somehow flow directly out your fingertips without going through your brain first?

19 posted on 05/22/2005 7:56:19 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Uhhuh35

"In Los Angeles the police have been told not to enforce immigration laws under the guise of "were not the INS or ICE."

I've noticed that if other federal laws are broken the "local police" are there wanting a piece of the action. Perhaps bank robberies should be responded to by only "federal agencies."


20 posted on 05/22/2005 8:02:05 AM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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