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US 'torpedoed Kursk nuclear sub'
The Australian ^
| May 09, 2005
| Daniel Stacey, London
Posted on 05/22/2005 2:27:06 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
I though modern american torpedoes are designed to blow up under the vessel and not designed to impact. Blowing up under the target causes the structure to fracture.
To: theFIRMbss
I don't think that's a Mark 48. AFAIK, no surface ships carry the 48.
Those things are huge compared to what we had on DLG's. I don't recall the number but they were closer to 15" diameter and about 10' long while the Mark 48 is about 20" in diameter and close to 20' long.
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:39:05 PM PDT
by
Bob
To: demlosers
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:43:30 PM PDT
by
csvset
To: demlosers
The film suggests the attack happened while two US submarines, the Toledo and Memphis, were shadowing the Kursk in a routine military exercise. Guess it wasn't so routine, after all.
This is obviously one of those so carefully orchestrated conspiracies. You have, what, 260 plus men who have been ordered to keep these events secret all these years under pain of assassination. Putin wants it kept secret as much as did clinton and now, Bush.
We also know this because there has never, ever in history been a case of Russian incompetence. Let's get the truth out now!
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:43:33 PM PDT
by
stevem
To: Bob
>I don't think that's a Mark 48. AFAIK, no surface ships carry the 48
You're probably right.
I trusted the net, googled
for the title, and
just looked for the best
picture Google came up with.
It's from this site, here:
MK-48 ADCAP TORPEDO
To: demlosers
Was there supposed to be a downside to this story?
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:45:29 PM PDT
by
4woodenboats
(I'm not a big morning guy, but still, I Praise The Lord everytime I see one!)
To: demlosers
France should simply rename itself to Democrat Underground and be done with it.
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:45:46 PM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
To: demlosers
They must be using Newsweek sources.
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:48:43 PM PDT
by
Americanexpat
(A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
To: SmithL
2000
US to Russia....do you need assistance?....Nyet!
US to Russia.....Prepared to assist.....Nyet!
US to Russia.....Rescue teams at ready status, your call.....Nyet!
2005, Kursk sunk by Mk 48
Russia to US.....Da!
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:55:38 PM PDT
by
BIGLOOK
(I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
To: demlosers
This also reminds me of the 747 that blew up over Long Island. The conspiracy people said it was downed by a missile during some practice - so 500 sailors and who else are said to keep quiet? Show me anyone who wouldn't take 100K dollars from a tabloid and spill the beans so to speak .... same here. You mean all those guys on our subs would remain quiet? I don't think so.
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posted on
05/22/2005 2:58:15 PM PDT
by
SkyDancer
("If Love Can't Buy You Happiness, You Don't Know Where To Shop")
To: demlosers
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:00:10 PM PDT
by
DJ Taylor
(Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
To: demlosers
A FORMER British military official has backed a sensational claim that the Russian nuclear submarine, the Kursk, was torpedoed by US forces in August 2000. Must be a drinking buddy of Michael Rivero.
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:01:42 PM PDT
by
Polybius
To: demlosers
Hmm. So what the French are actually saying is: Clinton Lied, People Died? Glad we could get that cleared up.
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:02:54 PM PDT
by
kingu
To: SkyDancer
This also reminds me of the 747 that blew up over Long Island. The conspiracy people said it was downed by a missile during some practice - so 500 sailors and who else are said to keep quiet? Show me anyone who wouldn't take 100K dollars from a tabloid and spill the beans so to speak .... same here. You mean all those guys on our subs would remain quiet? I don't think so.Actually, this one was the real deal. Over 183 people saw a missile streak up from the ground, including 2 on-duty National Guardsmen, one of whom was a missile-profile expert.
I don't buy for a second that the US government did it.
But I'd buy that a terrorist with a shoulder fired (or boat-mounted) missile sat off Long Island Sound and fired one. You know how quick our government is to deny terrorism as a cause for ANYthing.
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:06:06 PM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
Comment #35 Removed by Moderator
To: demlosers
WaitJustaMinnit!!!
The French film shows stills of the Kursk raised above the water after being salvaged, with a precise circular hole in its right side. The hole clearly bends inwards, consistent with an attack from outside the submarine.
Now read this:
Kursk Submarine Cutting Services
In November 2000 Oil States MCS Ltd of Barrow-in-Furness, UK supplied their Abrasive Water Jet Cutting equipment to
cut access holes through the super structure and pressure hull of the sunken Russian submarine Kursk. The vessel was located on the seabed of the Barents sea in 108m water depth after being lost with all hands in August this year. The cutting operation was necessary to allow Russian divers to gain access to recover the bodies of the service personnel inside and investigate the circumstances of the sinking.
Originally it had been intended that other mechanical cutting methods might be used for entering the submarine. Following successful pre-mobilisation cutting trials on a specimen of the submarines super structure and pressure hull, it became clear that the Abrasive Water Jet cutting system was the best method to use. In all 11 cuts were made on the Kursk using the Abrasive Water Jet cutting system, 3 pressure release holes in the 400 bar (5800psi) ballast air piping system, 4 through the outer super structure, and 1 pressure release hole and 3 diver entry holes in the pressure hull. The cuts through the outer hull were complicated by the presence of a thick outer skin of elastomer, which called for modified cutting methods. As the project developed the manipulators and operating procedures were modified to suit the particular conditions of each cut on the Kursk as they became known, the 1.2m (48) diameter access hole through the 50mm (2) thick pressure hull being completed within an hour.
Source: http://www.oilstates.com/solutions/offshore/decomissioning/abraisive%20cutting/file.asp?id=126
So much for "expert" testimony...
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:07:53 PM PDT
by
TXnMA
(ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
To: DJ Taylor
One of these days the French are going to remember why they are free and not part of Germany. I wonder how it would go down if we had to do it all oer again, would the US bail them out? Losers..
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:09:05 PM PDT
by
realnola
(-realnola.com)
To: demlosers
I can't wait to see what 60 minutes and Newsweek have to say about this.
To: demlosers; DJ Taylor; Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; ..
...and so much for Frog "documentaries"...
See #36
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:16:17 PM PDT
by
TXnMA
(ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
To: Always Independent
Click the fish
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posted on
05/22/2005 3:17:48 PM PDT
by
SmithL
(Proud Submariner)
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