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Tillman’s Parents Lash Out at Army (A Tragedy On So Many Levels)
Washington Post.com ^ | 05/23/2005 | Josh White

Posted on 05/22/2005 9:32:05 PM PDT by drt1

Handling of Ranger’s death called a ‘sign of disrespect’. Former NFL player Pat Tillman's family is lashing out against the Army, saying that the military's investigations into Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan last year were a sham and that Army efforts to cover up the truth have made it harder for them to deal with their loss.

More than a year after their son was shot several times by his fellow Army Rangers on a craggy hillside near the Pakistani border, Tillman's mother and father said in interviews that they believe the military and the government created a heroic tale about how their son died to foster a patriotic response across the country. They say the Army's "lies" about what happened have made them suspicious, and that they are certain they will never get the full story.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; armyrangers; football; liberalscum; liberalwhiners; nfl; oef; shutup; tillman; traitors
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To: Asphalt

Thank you


101 posted on 05/23/2005 7:49:10 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla; All
Former NFL player Pat Tillman's family is lashing out against the Army, saying that the military's investigations into Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan last year were a sham and that Army efforts to cover up the truth have made it harder for them to deal with their loss.

More than a year after their son was shot several times by his fellow Army Rangers on a craggy hillside near the Pakistani border, Tillman's mother and father said in interviews that they believe the military and the government created a heroic tale about how their son died to foster a patriotic response across the country. They say the Army's "lies" about what happened have made them suspicious, and that they are certain they will never get the full story.

‘A sign of disrespect’

"Pat had high ideals about the country; that's why he did what he did," Mary Tillman said in her first lengthy interview since her son's death. "The military let him down. The administration let him down. It was a sign of disrespect. The fact that he was the ultimate team player and he watched his own men kill him is absolutely heartbreaking and tragic. The fact that they lied about it afterward is disgusting."

Tillman, a popular player for the Arizona Cardinals, gave up stardom in the National Football League after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to join the Army Rangers with his brother. After a tour in Iraq, their unit was sent to Afghanistan in spring 2004, where they were to hunt for the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. Shortly after arriving in the mountains to fight, Tillman was killed in a barrage of gunfire from his own men, mistaken for the enemy as he got into position to defend them.

Immediately, the Army kept the soldiers on the ground quiet and told Tillman's family and the public that he was killed by enemy fire while storming a hill, barking orders to his fellow Rangers. After a public memorial service, at which Tillman received the Silver Star, the Army told Tillman's family what had really happened, that he had been killed by his own men.

Death marked by confusion, disarray

In separate interviews in their home town of San Jose and by telephone, Tillman's parents, who are divorced, spoke about their ordeal with the Army with simmering frustration and anger. A series of military investigations have offered differing accounts of Tillman's death. The most recent report revealed more deeply the confusion and disarray surrounding the mission he was on, and more clearly showed that the family had been kept in the dark about details of his death.

The latest investigation, written about by The Washington Post earlier this month, showed that soldiers in Afghanistan knew almost immediately that they had killed Tillman by mistake in what they believed was a firefight with enemies on a tight canyon road. The investigation also revealed that soldiers later burned Tillman's uniform and body armor.

That information was slow to make it back to the United States, the report said, and Army officials here were unaware that his death on April 22, 2004, was fratricide when they notified the family that Tillman had been shot.

Over the next 10 days, however, top-ranking Army officials — including the theater commander, Army Gen. John P. Abizaid — were told of the reports that Tillman had been killed by his own men, the investigation said. But the Army waited until a formal investigation was finished before telling the family — which was weeks after a nationally televised memorial service that honored Tillman on May 3, 2004.

‘They blew up their poster boy’

Patrick Tillman Sr., a San Jose lawyer, said he is furious about what he found in the volumes of witness statements and investigative documents the Army has given to the family. He decried what he calls a "botched homicide investigation" and blames high-ranking Army officers for presenting "outright lies" to the family and to the public.

"After it happened, all the people in positions of authority went out of their way to script this," Patrick Tillman said. "They purposely interfered with the investigation, they covered it up. I think they thought they could control it, and they realized that their recruiting efforts were going to go to hell in a handbasket if the truth about his death got out. They blew up their poster boy."

Army expresses ‘heartfelt sorrow’

Army spokesmen maintain that the Army has done everything it can to keep the family informed about the investigation, offering to answer relatives' questions and going back to them as investigators gathered more information.

Army officials said Friday that the Army "reaffirms its heartfelt sorrow to the Tillman family and all families who have lost loved ones during this war." Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, an Army spokesman, said the Army acts with compassion and heartfelt commitment when informing grieving families, often a painful duty.

"In the case of the death of Corporal Patrick Tillman, the Army made mistakes in reporting the circumstances of his death to the family," Brooks said. "For these, we apologize. We cannot undo those early mistakes."

Brooks said the Army has "actively and directly" informed the Tillman family regarding investigations into his death and has dedicated a team of soldiers and civilians to answering the family's questions through phone calls and personal meetings while ensuring the family "was as well informed as they could be."

‘You can never put it to rest’

Mary Tillman keeps her son's wedding album in the living room of the house where he grew up, and his Arizona State University football jersey, still dirty from the 1997 Rose Bowl game, hangs in a nearby closet. With each new version of events, her mind swirls with new theories about what really happened and why. She questions how an elite Army unit could gun down its most recognizable member at such close range. She dwells on distances and boulders and piles of documents and the words of frenzied men.

"It makes you feel like you're losing your mind in a way," she said. "You imagine things. When you don't know the truth, certain details can be blown out of proportion. The truth may be painful, but it's the truth. You start to contrive all these scenarios that could have taken place because they just kept lying. If you feel you're being lied to, you can never put it to rest."

Patrick Tillman Sr. believes he will never get the truth, and he says he is resigned to that now. But he wants everyone in the chain of command, from Tillman's direct supervisors to the one-star general who conducted the latest investigation, to face discipline for "dishonorable acts." He also said the soldiers who killed his son have not been adequately punished.

"Maybe lying's not a big deal anymore," he said. "Pat's dead, and this isn't going to bring him back. But these guys should have been held up to scrutiny, right up the chain of command, and no one has."

Not just any soldier

That their son was famous opened up the situation to problems, the Tillmans say, in part because of the devastating public relations loss his death represented for the military. Mary Tillman says the government used her son for weeks after his death, perpetuating an untrue story to capitalize on his altruism — just as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal was erupting publicly. She said she was particularly offended when President Bush offered a taped memorial message to Tillman at a Cardinals football game shortly before the presidential election last fall. She again felt as though her son was being used, something he never would have wanted.

"Every day is sort of emotional," Mary Tillman said. "It just keeps slapping me in the face. To find that he was killed in this debacle — everything that could have gone wrong did — it's so much harder to take. We should not have been subjected to all of this. This lie was to cover their image. I think there's a lot more yet that we don't even know, or they wouldn't still be covering their tails.

"If this is what happens when someone high profile dies, I can only imagine what happens with everyone else."

© 2005 The Washington Post Company

102 posted on 05/23/2005 7:49:35 AM PDT by drt1
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To: drt1

Thank you


103 posted on 05/23/2005 7:55:20 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: lugsoul

"one who made a point of rejecting any treatment that differentiated him from his comrades-in-arms, and who wouldn't even give interviews about his decision to leave the NFL and join up - was the very last thing he would've wanted."

Too bad father doesn't have his son's character, and allowed himself to become a "useful idiot" for the left wing media!


104 posted on 05/23/2005 7:58:06 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: zarf

The one thing that needs to be taken apart and rebuilt is you.


105 posted on 05/23/2005 7:59:50 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: Darksheare

It seems fair and prudent to do so.


106 posted on 05/23/2005 8:00:44 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Strategerist

"But the Army waited until a formal investigation was finished before telling the family. "


107 posted on 05/23/2005 8:01:07 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: drt1

It is sad and evil to reopen this unhealed wound. I grief for the Tillman's family. While PA officers will be PA officers, it does not appear that the Army lied. Tillman's Chain of Command was hammered and may Tillman RIP with the Big Ranger in the Sky. Hooah! RLTW!


108 posted on 05/23/2005 8:02:07 AM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Mo1

Let's say that the facts came out a day after the accident. How would that have changed anything?


109 posted on 05/23/2005 8:05:48 AM PDT by ozdragon
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To: kellynla
As one who was a combat Marine in Viet Nam, I can tell you unequivocally that "friendly fire" happens in combat and people die from "friendly fire." I know on more than one occasion we called artillery or air strikes on our own position(bad maps).

That said, and I am only going by what has been "reported" in this article, if soldiers did burn Tillman's uniform then those responsible should be severely punished.

I am wondering why Tillman's brother, who is also in the Army, has not been heard from?

Semper Fi,
Kelly
110 posted on 05/23/2005 8:06:09 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: international american

I wouldn't be too quick to judge the parents without
walking a mile or two in their shoes.

Losing a child is heartbreak. Attack the traitors in the
media, not the grieving parents. People should show a
little consideration.

But for for the grace of G*d, etc...


111 posted on 05/23/2005 8:10:00 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: drt1

In the Second World War, the number of American deaths caused by friendly fire was about 16 percent; in Vietnam it was about 14 percent; in the Panama conflict in the 1980s it was about 13 percent. In the 1991 Gulf War it rose to 24 percent, and for British forces in the current campaign there is a 50/50 split - with five of those who have died in combat killed by friendly fire, and five killed by Iraqis.


But in the Gulf War and the current campaign, there were and are far fewer allied deaths than in earlier wars, so friendly fire incidents appear as a much higher percentage. For example, 58,000 Americans died in the 10-year Vietnam War; 146 died in the six-week Gulf War. So where the estimated 8000 friendly fire deaths that occurred in Vietnam show up as 14 percent, the much smaller 35 friendly fire deaths in the Gulf War show up as 24 percent (1).


No doubt every friendly fire incident is tragic - but friendly fire has been a problem of war for as long as war has existed. And for all of today's newspaper headlines about 'ignorant' and 'trigger-happy' Americans killing their own troops and British troops in 'cold blood', the current friendly fire incidents can seem mild when compared to what happened in the wars of the last century.


112 posted on 05/23/2005 8:10:27 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Khurkris
The US Army is about form over function.
113 posted on 05/23/2005 8:10:48 AM PDT by zarf
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To: DJ Taylor
When a posthumous award is given to a fallen comrade, it is frequently written with your comrade’s loved ones in mind. If he died badly, through an accident or his own negligence, it does no good to relate this information to his family. In the past, a final gift to a fallen comrade has been a creatively written posthumous award that his family will cherish forever as they remember their son’s life and the precious gift of life he gave to his country. May God damn forever the liberal leftist journalists who have robbed the Tillman family of this final gift their son’s comrades gave to them.

What a bunch of hooey.

114 posted on 05/23/2005 8:12:28 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: over3Owithabrain
Agree about Tillman. But I've thought for a long time that this guy made a huge point of wanting to be treated like just another soldier - and that is the opposite of what happened when he died.

There's another odd point here - how come none of these articles mention his brother? Any idea where he is now?

115 posted on 05/23/2005 8:12:40 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

My friends and family honor and respect Pat Tillman more than his parents do.

~ Blue Jays ~

116 posted on 05/23/2005 8:17:31 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Mo1
"But the Army waited until a formal investigation was finished before telling the family — which was weeks after a nationally televised memorial service that honored Tillman on May 3, 2004."

What were they supposed to do, keep him on ice until the investigation was finished? Does his death by friendly fire somehow diminish his courage and dedication?
117 posted on 05/23/2005 8:21:13 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: zarf
Hi zarf-

"...The US Army is about form over function..."


What is your military experience and MOS in particular? Folks on FreeRepublic will be happy to share, compare, and contrast with your experiences.

~ Blue Jays ~

118 posted on 05/23/2005 8:22:58 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: dennisw
I read the article on AOL. His parents are divorced and his father is a lawyer.

They apparently want an additional 15 minutes of fame at the expense of their son's memory. The MSM will wine and dine them.

119 posted on 05/23/2005 8:25:54 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Don't let Terri's death be in vain!)
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To: kellynla
I am wondering why Tillman's brother, who is also in the Army, has not been heard from?

When I was in the Rangers we had two sets of brothers serving in the same company. That bond is unimaginable. I remember reading that Pat Tillman joined the Rangers with his brother because of a promise they made to each other ... if I was to guess ... we will never hear from his brother.

120 posted on 05/23/2005 8:26:07 AM PDT by Yasotay
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