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A long Senate history of filibuster threats
Newsday.com ^ | 24 May 2005 | Tom Brune

Posted on 05/24/2005 3:43:14 AM PDT by Racehorse

Some Democrats say they began the filibusters to force Bush to consult with them and to select nominees with more moderate views.

Yet both conservative and liberal senators and activists say that the 10 successful filibusters waged by Democrats have not swayed Bush, and may even have stiffened his resolve, raising the question of whether Democrats overplayed their hand.

[. . .]

Replacing Rehnquist with a conservative would not change the balance of a court that has voted 5-4 on many hot-button issues. But replacing a moderate or liberal would tilt the court to the right.

[. . .]

The fight over rules for voting on judicial nominees drew so much attention because it was seen as a preview for battles over filling Supreme Court vacancies. Four of the current justices are older than 70 and have had health problems, leading to speculation about their tenure.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg

72, appointed by Bill Clinton, 1993; moderate among liberals; treated for colon cancer in 2000.

John Paul Stevens

85, appointed by Gerald Ford, 1975; one of the most liberal justices, but also an independent spirit. Treated for prostate cancer in 1992 and has battled heart disease.

Sandra Day O'Connor

75, appointed by Ronald Reagan, 1981; moderate to conservative; often the swing vote. Treated for breast cancer in 1988.

William Rehnquist

80, appointed by Richard Nixon, 1972; appointed chief justice by Ronald Reagan, 1986. Has thyroid cancer and is considered likely to retire soon.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: appointments; filibuster; judiciary; nominations; politicalstrategy; senate; supremecourt; ussenate
McCain et al simply postponed the inevitable rule change. Would have been better to change the rule now rather than go through all this again when Bush makes his second and third and maybe a fourth Supreme Court appointment.

Not even Neville Chamberlain would have cut this deal with the devil.

1 posted on 05/24/2005 3:43:14 AM PDT by Racehorse
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To: Racehorse
What putzes like McCain don't get, is that politics is simply bloodless civil war.
The dems are the enemy, pure and simple. You work to defeat them. You don't kiss their a$$.
This guy is a traitor - him and his 6 pals - and I really hope their states wake up some day and show them the door.
2 posted on 05/24/2005 3:51:52 AM PDT by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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And this nut thinks that he can be elected President!!!!!!!!!!


3 posted on 05/24/2005 4:00:17 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Racehorse

I thought of this possibility this morning.

What if... We get Owen, Rogers-Brown, and Prior, as per the deal.. the "Extremists" as Chuckie Schumer so elequently put them.

AND....

We get a quorom and finally FORCE the Dems to Filibuster the other two,.. have them get up there and squawk to keep Saad and Myers off the bench!!!

Oh man, that would be the *ULTIMATE* power play against the Dems, but I doubt the GOP has the guts to do it.





4 posted on 05/24/2005 4:09:48 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: Racehorse

McCain has broken the cardinal rule and negotiated in good faith with the terrorists - now he could run against Fat Teddy and lose.


5 posted on 05/24/2005 4:14:06 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Racehorse

6 posted on 05/24/2005 4:21:07 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: grobdriver
. . . I really hope their states wake up some day and show them the door.

I doubt that will happen, unfortunately.  McCain is performing pretty much as expected.  His constituency seems to solidly behind him.  Others, like Snow, come from States were kowtowing to the Democrats might actually improve their chances for reelection.

Unless I'm seriously off the mark, which I could be, or McCain pulls off some spectacular stunt to grab some favor from conservative Republicans, he may well find himself seriously lacking in party support should he make another run for the presidency.  I dread the possibility he might actually win the nomination.  What a bind that would put me in.

What I hope does not happen is the eruption of a major rift among Republicans.  I'm wondering what this excerpt from the Las Vegas Review Journal might foreshadow:

The reaction from Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., was more muted, and conservatives expressed discontent with the deal, which stopped short of guaranteeing up-or-down votes on all of President Bush's nominees.

"I am very concerned that we are setting a precedent here where good people will be denied an up-or-down vote," said Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., who supported the nuclear option.

Ensign said he had talked to two Republican colleagues who also were not happy with the compromise. He declined to name them.

In a clear reference to Reid, Ensign said, "If this is a way for people to gracefully back down and still claim victory, then I'm all for it. But I don't know what we have here."


7 posted on 05/24/2005 4:28:26 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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No matter if the contest is football or congress. A coach has to win with the players he has. The Republicans had 47 good and 7 lousy players. Bill Frist let the seven lousy players get control of the team.

That is just disgusting.

Bill Frist is a coach who has lost total control of his players. Blaming the players for having no discipline is stupid. If there is no discipline on a team, be it the Senate or the Dallas Cowboys, it is always the coach's fault. It has been my experience that once a leader loses control of his team, he never ever gets it back.

We have a weak coach in the Hose.. thank goodness for Tom Delay. In the house Hastert has the title but Delay coaches the team. If we can't dump Frist we need a Delay to take charge and lead.

If we want to win.. we have to have someone in charge. No one can argue that in this mess anyone was in charge of the Republican caucus.

When a player drops the ball or fumbles, it is not the coaches fault. But when the players take over the game and run it, the team has a lousy leader. Frist has done little except stand by while the Rondos took over the control of the Senate. The loss is the Coaches fault and he should be fired.

The biggest mistake of the Bush administration was making Bill Frist Majority leader.

Reid may be stupid but he won the game by taking advantage of the Folding Hands of Senator Frist.


8 posted on 05/24/2005 4:40:24 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Racehorse
John McCain has spent every penny, and borrowed much, on his military service. He is a disgrace.
If McCain were to be put into a Vietnam prison today, he would make a deal whereby he would give the enemy everything they wanted to know - troop disposition, armament, ship positioning, aircraft and weapons capabilities, his bank account numbers and passwords - all in exchange for a promise that the prison guards wouldn't beat him more than twice a day, and only under extreme circumstances.
9 posted on 05/24/2005 5:07:55 AM PDT by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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If McPain were running for Senator today, George Bush would be there backing him just like he backed Sphincter of Pennsylvania.


10 posted on 05/24/2005 5:22:22 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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