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In Trial, Drug Aids Vision of Elderly
NY Times ^ | May 24, 2005 | ANDREW POLLACK

Posted on 05/24/2005 5:56:39 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: null and void

Are you asking if I would be willing to take the heart of another (medically-determined "braindead") baby to save the life of my own child??


41 posted on 05/25/2005 11:20:17 PM PDT by Fam4Bush (NO ONE BUYS......NEWSWEEK DIES)
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To: Fam4Bush

Yes.


42 posted on 05/25/2005 11:26:25 PM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void

And her parents are okay to let her go and are not being coerced?


43 posted on 05/26/2005 12:35:10 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (NO ONE BUYS......NEWSWEEK DIES)
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To: Fam4Bush

Yes.


44 posted on 05/26/2005 7:25:31 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void
One might wish to consider: Baby girl is braindead, thus living only via extensive life support measures with a non-reversible/non-recoverable condition?

(Altho disputable because of brain recovery potential in young patients, I'm sure you'll say she's been determined by caretakers to have no foreseeable future as a functional being, independent of extraordinary life support...?)

45 posted on 05/26/2005 10:41:18 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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To: Fam4Bush

Yes. Declared dead. They will be turning off the machines in 10 minutes, in fifteen minutes it will be too late for your baby.

Come on! You've already slept on it and had a day to think about it!

Do you let nature take it's course, is it God's will your baby dies too?


46 posted on 05/26/2005 10:51:48 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void
One word here: patience

This is life or death...
And I am busy today.
Get back to work and give me some time, Bud.
No time limits.

: P

I know....more than one word

47 posted on 05/26/2005 10:58:19 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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To: Fam4Bush

Your baby died. Thank you for playing.

Don't worry, you can always make more...


48 posted on 05/26/2005 11:00:05 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void

"They will be turning off the machines in 10 minutes..."

No, they would be giving her little heart to someone who didn't have to think about it...


49 posted on 05/26/2005 11:01:00 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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To: Fam4Bush
True. But your baby is dead, 'sok, maybe God want's him more than you did.
50 posted on 05/26/2005 11:03:50 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void

Consider this:

Baby girl’s right to life treatment has been relinquished by her parents; there are no other guardians allowed to make a life-prolonging/sustaining attempt. (ie. adoption w/intent to save her life)

Baby girl was conceived as an individual with promise; not with the intention of disposal due to other successful pregnancy or with intention of harvesting her heart.

You do see that I know where you were going with this....

Want more?


51 posted on 05/26/2005 11:04:44 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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To: null and void

You're not getting off that easy.....and I didn't know it was a boy. hmmmmmmmm.

Stick around. You may learn something.

PS The baby's fine....unless you pulled the plug, and knowing how you felt about Terri S., I rather doubt that.


52 posted on 05/26/2005 11:07:54 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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To: Fam4Bush
It looks like you are going in the direction of using tissue from a spontaneous miscarriage is OK if parental consent is given, but you'd rather let your baby die, than use it?
53 posted on 05/26/2005 11:10:05 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: neverdem

Put me on the list, please.

Thanx.


54 posted on 05/26/2005 11:12:20 AM PDT by altura
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To: Fam4Bush

I didn't get a vote in the plug pulling.

You got a vote in saving your baby, and maybe salvaging some good from a tragic death.

Instead of choosing life, you chose death for your own flesh and blood.


55 posted on 05/26/2005 11:12:51 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void

Listen...imagine this:

Miraculously, there are other “hearts” donated by living babies, who can somehow painlessly survive the process required to share their gift, without moral dilemma, without imminent death.....Hearts that transplant more easily and more successfully, hearts that are abundant in supply, hearts that in essence are more promising in effectual treatment for those who suffer or are dying.....Hearts on the cutting edge of healing many “pulmonary ailments,” if only the researchers involved could get government funding.

But why fund these projects when a baby girl can serve this purpose by simply dying? Why not take a chance on a transplant from a dying individual, who will die anyway? Why not take the heart that is controversial, even though the chances of transplant rejection are greater, with No documented promises of anything?


56 posted on 05/26/2005 11:17:18 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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To: Fam4Bush

Now you've totally lost me.


57 posted on 05/26/2005 11:21:22 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void

"Instead of choosing life, you chose death for your own flesh and blood."

Don't jump to conclusions. You try to make me sound like an unloving parent because I value all life.

Furthermore, you must remember I would not be determining if a donor should die as you suggested initially; I would be determining whether I would accept the surgically-removed living heart of a baby whose parents chose death.

That being said, this in reality would be a very difficult decision. However, I can assure you it would be based on all alternatives available. And, of course, my selfish love for my child...

Doesn't make embryonic stem cells the answer. Just makes the alternatives and their research more appealling and more pressing.


58 posted on 05/26/2005 11:25:31 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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To: Fam4Bush

I don't think we're on the same page, but it looks like we're reading the same chapter...


59 posted on 05/26/2005 11:28:06 AM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: null and void

"Now you've totally lost me."

I hear that a lot lately...

post #56 was just an analogy of sorts....sorry if it lost ya


60 posted on 05/26/2005 11:28:58 AM PDT by Fam4Bush (Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.)
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