[muawiyah]

You should resist treating any book as an idol. Beyond that, there is no "black rock". That's merely a black curtain surrounding what is claimed to be one of Abraham's altars. This is where Islamic tradition places Sarah's handmaiden, Hagar.

The altar is composed of several pieces of fossilized wood and a meteorite similar to those that can be found out in the Arabian desert.

The Wahabis are nuts.

[SlowBoat407]

Noted on the correction to the makeup of the Ka'aba. As far as the book goes, I was careful to say "respect", not "idolize". I would have gladly not mistreated their book in any way as a courtesy to them, but if they insist that I act as though it is my holy book when it is not, well, I'm now happy to dunk it in a bowl of urine and put it in an art show.

[absolootezer0]

so does that make the muslims the 'sons of ishmael'?