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No reasoning with the elderly on issue of Social Security
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 5/24/05 | Ruben Navarrette

Posted on 05/25/2005 8:42:08 AM PDT by qam1

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To: mugs99
I'm the older generation. I'm retired. I really don't care what you do with Social Security. I will tell you this...You have not figured out anything! Government does not keep promises. They are not out to fix Social Security. They want a bigger bite of your money.

The Patriot Act is not about security...It is about more government control. The Real ID Act is not about ID...It is about more government control. The War on Drugs is not about drugs...It is about more government control.

All of us, young and old alike, have given up our liberty by believing government propaganda and media BS from both Right and Left. Bill O'Reilly and Ward Churchill are both the same kind of liars.

No country can remain free while fighting continuous wars on this and that. We have been fighting these wars all of my life and they will continue until freedom no longer exists...and that is not far down the road.

Your post was so on target, I figured I should repeat it in case any confused individual missed it.

I've said it before on this forum, if you take a look at everything the government has done "in respnse" to 9/11/01, you'll find that in every single case, it has not made us any safer, but has increased their control over us, and costs us more. The best thing they could do to prevent hijackings is to make sure that every pilot was armed. This wouldn't cost us a dime, or at least very little, as I'd expect pilots would want to carry their personal firearm. The only problem with this solution, is that it gives us power rather than FedGov. Of course, this just can't be allowed.

121 posted on 05/25/2005 12:14:16 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: chronic_loser
[ I would....., and did. ]

Then you are NOT a RINO... RINOs LOVE government checks..
RINO = smarter but very confused democrat...

You can take the democrat out of the party but its damned near impossible to take the democrat from the democrat..

122 posted on 05/25/2005 12:19:22 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

The AARP also sells high fee mutual funds for retirement.


123 posted on 05/25/2005 12:23:42 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: hunter112

Great post.


124 posted on 05/25/2005 12:26:14 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: CIDKauf; Melas

The cato plan is an excellent plan. I dont understand why people who are paying 50/60% of thier income taxes are demonized as not paying enough.


125 posted on 05/25/2005 12:30:57 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman

Its THE BIG LIE... no politician, not Republican nor Democrat, not Independent, NONE have told the truth that this is a GENERAL FUND TAX... not a system for the security of the people. They should change the name of the SSA to the Social Accounting Office.


126 posted on 05/25/2005 12:36:50 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: tnlibertarian

Wait until they start giving you $1000 a month in return.


127 posted on 05/25/2005 12:39:22 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CIDKauf

Good to hear. I just like to make sure that SS is discussed in the propert context. It is welfare, pure and simple....


128 posted on 05/25/2005 12:40:26 PM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CIDKauf

I bet 90%+ of freepers understand this. I just wish the man on the street did.


129 posted on 05/25/2005 12:41:30 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Melas

Is it a conservative principle that we have people depending on the government for their well being?


130 posted on 05/25/2005 12:41:41 PM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: CSM

Prescott showed that hours HAVE gone done in Europe because of the crushing tax load. I am advocating 'shock' treatment of a national strike so that we do not go the way of Europe.


132 posted on 05/25/2005 12:43:29 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman

Very true, but the word does get out. I tend to NOT back down when telling the truth of this "system" to people around me, and I believe that the grassroots effort will get the truth out. A wonderful thing ...the Internet.


133 posted on 05/25/2005 12:53:08 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: xrp

Social Security has no chance of disappearing unless Americans realize it was never intended to be the sole source of post-retirement income.

"We can't support ourselves on Social Security" has become the rallying cry of the AARP. However, instead of proposing strategies involving responsible personal investment (low-to-no risk), the AARP, the RATs, and the media clamor for the government safety net to be expanded ad infinitum.

The bigger they make the net, the more likely it is we're all going to end up tangled in it.


134 posted on 05/25/2005 12:55:40 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (What part of "up or down" do you RINOs not understand?)
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To: 2banana

No they're still the greatest generation.. Practically everyone from the greatest generation has passed (that I know of at least...). The greediest generation is the kids of the baby boom...


135 posted on 05/25/2005 12:56:32 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Attention Liberal Catholics---The Caffeteria is officially and permanently CLOSED!)
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To: chris1
I understand where the poster is coming from. Normal Rockwell 2$ short and all that.

When you blow this up to the whole country, you have what actuaries call a 'moral hazard'
136 posted on 05/25/2005 1:01:39 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: mugs99

Mugs99, I agree about the government control part, but from a mathematical/financial standpoint, the proposals on the table in re social security reform are sound, viable, practicable, and necessary, in comparison to the status quo.

Because your a freeper and say your older, I'll assue that your an early baby boomer or a latter member of the great generation. When you were a youth, thirty people contributed for every person drawing benefits.

Due to the wonders of science and technology, people live longer, but that creates a small problem for social security, people live longer--drawing more money from a reducing roll of people paying into the system.

Now, if we had the same numbers of people paying in to drawing i'd probably be still for privitization, but saying "what's the rush?" well there isn't its more like 2 paying in for every person collecting, in about ten years it will be 1:1. That is why it is necessary..

As for government control, again, I'm with you...


137 posted on 05/25/2005 1:04:20 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Attention Liberal Catholics---The Caffeteria is officially and permanently CLOSED!)
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To: kjenerette

....reading.


138 posted on 05/25/2005 1:13:27 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: CIDKauf

agree to the max.


139 posted on 05/25/2005 1:16:59 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: CSM

Of course not. However, the comment I responded to dealt with the elderly already dependant. I do not, will not, and cannot support any plan that would cut them loose as the post I responded entailed.


140 posted on 05/25/2005 1:35:13 PM PDT by Melas
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