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NYP: THE MEANING OF 'MAINSTREAM' (in the filibuster fight)
New York Post ^ | May 26, 2005 | MARK GOLDBLATT

Posted on 05/26/2005 5:32:56 AM PDT by OESY

In the just-ended fight over filibustering judicial nominees, the Senate gave us something new: defining extremism leftward. Judges whose views Democrats would once have regarded as merely conservative are now seen as right-wing extremists — or, to use the phrase that keeps coming up in the current Senate debate, "out of the mainstream."

But what does the phrase mean? From Democrats' recent public statements, it seems to mean the following: Judges who would uphold a state's ban on gay marriage are out of the mainstream; judges who would rule that parents should be notified before their underage daughter has an abortion are out of the mainstream; judges who would question the wisdom of affirmative action are out of the mainstream.

Yet each of these positions is well within the mainstream of popular opinion — indeed, each arguably represents the view of a majority of Americans.

What might an actual extremist look like? A judge ruled who not just to uphold a state's ban gay marriage but to re-criminalize acts of sodomy, perhaps. Or one who ruled not just to allow legislative restrictions of abortion, but to ban abortions outright, by judicial fiat. If a judge ruled not just to disregard race in college admissions but to re-establish separate-but-equal schools, that would be out of the mainstream.

None of President Bush's judicial nominees is an extremist — or even close....

The Democrats who were filibustering President Bush's judicial nominees were seeking, in effect, to define extremism leftward. Coming from a minority party, this was pure hubris. Should it ever happen again, Republicans must not compromise. If the so-called "nuclear option" is required to re-orient Senate debate, and also to remind Democrats why they keep losing elections, so be it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cary; cnim; extremists; filibuster; mainstream; nominees
Example:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, nominated by President Clinton for the Supreme Court in 1993 and confirmed by the Senate 96-3, once proposed the abolition of Mother's and Father's Day in favor of a unisex Parent's Day; she also once called for co-ed prisons and speculated that prostitution and polygamy might be rights guaranteed under the Constitution. Yet none of that put her "out of the mainstream" in the eyes of an overwhelming majority of Republican senators.

1 posted on 05/26/2005 5:32:57 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

I thought the idea of having an independent judiciary was that they'd be out of the mainstream so they could make judgments based on what is right and wrong.


2 posted on 05/26/2005 5:37:27 AM PDT by wolfpat (dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: wolfpat; OESY
I thought the idea of having an independent judiciary was that they'd be out of the mainstream so they could make judgments based on what is right and wrong.

What a bizarre concept -------------- sort of like children learning history, reading, and math in school today!

;-)

3 posted on 05/26/2005 5:40:07 AM PDT by beyond the sea (I’m sleeping with myself tonight.........saved in time, thank God my music’s still alive)
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To: OESY

mainstream is anything that the democrats agree with.


4 posted on 05/26/2005 5:47:02 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid!)
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To: OESY
The Democrats who were filibustering President Bush's judicial nominees were seeking, in effect, to define extremism leftward. Coming from a minority party the MSM Party, this was pure hubris routine.
Just another day at the office.

5 posted on 05/26/2005 6:03:22 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: OESY
Any "agreement" in any field and between any parties, is doomed to fall apart when it has the fatal defect in this "Compromise." As this article points out, at the heart of this "Compromise" is a concept that has no clear definition.

The Democrats' public statement repeat the mantra that Republican nominees are "out of the mainstream." The Compromise leaves the future use of the filibuster for "extraordinary circumstances." Both phrases have variable definitions, as if they were written in sand, in a high wind, at high tide.

And the 14 Senators who signed onto the Compromise apparently wanted it that way. The dirty little truth is that the 14 Senators used a deliberately fuzzy definition, because those men and women COULD NOT AGREE TO A SINGLE SET OF TERMS.

Of course the Compromise will fail. It already HAD failed before the ink was dry, and before the last self-congratulatory speech had been given.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "The Gunfight at Not-OK Corral"

6 posted on 05/26/2005 6:03:58 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (For copies of my speech, "Dealing with Outlaw Judges," please Freepmail me.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Of course the Compromise will fail.

It seems that McCain is involved with many failures.

7 posted on 05/26/2005 6:23:40 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: OESY
I consider the "main stream" of America to be the Mississippi River, and folks like Kennedy, Kerry and the whole northease couldn't see it with high-powered binoculars. Not even if they were in Nashville at the time.

TS

8 posted on 05/26/2005 6:43:01 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Only one more class today, and I get to go home! Woohoo!)
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To: beyond the sea

GOOD ONE!


9 posted on 05/26/2005 6:46:59 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: OESY

Years ago, the Detroit Free Press (imagine the Minneapolis Star and Sickle at a third-grade writing level) had a piece on the SOTU judges, which classified them as being either "conservatives", "centrists" or "moderates". No "liberal" or even "progressive" in their system. Guess where they placed Red Ruth.


10 posted on 05/26/2005 6:50:52 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: OESY
This piece does a good job of putting the Dems' labeling into context and showing the falsity of their "extremism" charges. The whole judicial nomination thing - and the Dems' willful, concerted lying - is what drove me out of the party 25 years ago. A party that engages in systematic lying in order to pretend that a radical judicial agenda is in fact mainstream deserves nothing but contempt.
11 posted on 05/26/2005 7:01:55 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: wolfpat

there ya go, falling back on such weak and out-dated concepts of historical accuracy and original intent < /sarc >


12 posted on 05/26/2005 8:09:15 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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