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China:Beijing has high hopes for Olympic flame on Everest
Reuters ^ | 05/26/05

Posted on 05/26/2005 5:57:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Beijing has high hopes for Olympic flame on Everest

Thu 26 May, 9:42 AM

BEIJING (Reuters) - China has high hopes for the 2008 Olympic Games -- 8,850 metres (29,035 ft) high, to be exact.

Beijing is investigating how to haul the Olympic torch to the peak of Mount Everest and broadcast the event live during the pre-Games torch relay, a senior Olympics official said on Thursday.

"We have organised a research team and they are assessing it," said Liu Jingmin, executive vice president of the Beijing Organising Committee for the Games, told Reuters.

"It depends on the weather at the time and on when it will happen," said Liu, who is also vice mayor of Beijing. China was scheduled to submit a route plan for the relay to the International Olympic Committee by the end of 2006.

The relay of the "flame of peace" has become a spectacle. Ahead of the Athens games in 2004, it circled the world on a six-week tour under tight security, flying from country to country in a specially chartered jumbo jet, dubbed Zeus.

Logistically, taking the flame to the highest point on Earth is not a big problem, he said.

"Going up may not be too complicated, but filming the whole thing will be very complex," he added.

In 1999, China took a ceremonial flame to the top of Everest, which straddles the China-Nepal border, during a sports competition among China's ethnic minorities.

That torch was outfitted with a special oxygen tank to keep it burning in the thin air and an igniter to re-light the flame when gusting winds blew it out, but the experience showed it could be done.

"The torch is not a problem," Liu said.

Broadcasting the images live is another story, though.

TRAVEL ON YAKBACK

In 2003, China's state-run broadcaster showed live footage of climbers reaching the peak using a portable microwave transmitter to send a signal to a satellite ground station.

The cost of transporting the gear up just the middle reaches on yaks was 200,000 yuan, Xinhua news agency reported.

Liu said no decision had yet been made about who would carry the torch up the mountain, but he noted that most torch bearers in the past had been local.

"Not everyone can climb Everest," he added.

"In Nepal there is an ethnic group for whom climbing Mount Everest is as easy as eating breakfast. Maybe we'll go up with them."

Liu added that China also hoped the flame could pass through rival Taiwan, which Beijing regards as a breakaway province of China to be reunited with the mainland, by force if necessary.

"We hope it goes there," he said. "Taipei has given Beijing a lot of support in our application for and preparations for the Olympics, so of course we can enjoy this honour with the Taiwanese people."

Taiwan competes separately from China under the name Chinese Taipei.

Beijing's original plan for the torch relay was a "New Silk Road" concept, bringing it from Athens to China via Rome, the Arab world and South Asia, Liu said.

But instability in some areas may be a limitation.

"As you know, there are also some places along that route that are not so safe. How could we carry the torch in an armoured vehicle?" he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; everest; olympic; torch
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1 posted on 05/26/2005 5:57:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; tallhappy; Dr. Marten; Jeff Head; Khurkris; hedgetrimmer; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/26/2005 5:58:20 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"In Nepal there is an ethnic group for whom climbing Mount Everest is as easy as eating breakfast. Maybe we'll go up with them."

There is no such ethnic group on Earth. The Sherpas are the best, but summiting Everest is grueling and dangerous even for them (and at first they considered the Europeans mad for suggesting it).

There are, however, numerous small ethnic groups whom the Chinese government considers expendable.
3 posted on 05/26/2005 6:12:56 AM PDT by xenophiles
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Eurocopter has a helocopter that could just fly the torch to the summit. It's easy.


4 posted on 05/26/2005 6:13:39 AM PDT by monday
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To: xenophiles

"There are, however, numerous small ethnic groups whom the Chinese government considers expendable."


?????.. I doubt even the Chinese would expend them on live TV. Wouldn't be good public relations at all.


5 posted on 05/26/2005 6:16:30 AM PDT by monday
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This is a political ploy...
The actual aim is to consolidate China's claim that Tibet is part of China..
6 posted on 05/26/2005 6:17:11 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: xenophiles
"There are, however, numerous small ethnic groups whom the Chinese government considers expendable." Well so does everyone else who pays for their services. I think taking the flame to the top of Everest is a pretty cool challenge.
7 posted on 05/26/2005 6:18:00 AM PDT by TBall
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To: Froufrou
Wanna "Free Tibet" ??

Ping to this...

8 posted on 05/26/2005 6:19:51 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach
Re #6

I agree. Chinese regime never fail to make a political point.

9 posted on 05/26/2005 6:24:12 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Maybe they can enlist a group of Maoist rebels to temporarily shelve their terrorist attacks and instead carry the torch to the top of Everest...


10 posted on 05/26/2005 7:10:40 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: Drammach

I'm sorry. I'm new here. Can you please tell me about 'pinging?'


11 posted on 05/26/2005 7:17:43 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Froufrou
That torch was outfitted with a special oxygen tank to keep it burning in the thin air and an igniter to re-light the flame when gusting winds blew it out, but the experience showed it could be done.

Isn't re-lighting it basically defeating the whole point?

12 posted on 05/26/2005 9:09:57 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: monday
I doubt even the Chinese would expend them on live TV. Wouldn't be good public relations at all.

I agree. But a live TV broadcast from the summit wouldn't show anyone dying on the way up or (more likely) on the way down.
13 posted on 05/26/2005 10:18:29 AM PDT by xenophiles
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To: mvpel
"Isn't re-lighting it basically defeating the whole point?"

What is the point of the stupid torch anyway? It isn't like we lack fire starting technology these days. I fail to see the purpose of the whole exercise.
14 posted on 05/26/2005 10:40:22 AM PDT by monday
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To: TBall
"There are, however, numerous small ethnic groups whom the Chinese government considers expendable." Well so does everyone else who pays for their services. I think taking the flame to the top of Everest is a pretty cool challenge.

Any respectable group leaders (and that's most of them) will treat the Sherpa (or whatever) guides with respect and guard their lives as carefully as their own or more so.

Taking a flame to the top of Everest is a pretty cool challenge, but there's a fundamental problem with trying it with the Olympic flame: political pressure to succeed. When you climb any high mountain it is vitally important that you be ready and willing to abort if things turn bad. On Everest it takes very good judgement to plan a course that will get everyone not just to the summit but back down alive, and a wise leader will sometimes abort when the sky is clear blue and everyone feels relatively good, simply because there isn't enough good weather/daylight/oxygen/stamina left. Just climb back down and you can try again next year. With the Olympic torch there is no second chance. How would the leader of this expedition feel about having to explain such a decision to Beijing? Would the Chinese government necessarily appoint a leader who firmly stated "I will abort if things don't look good to me"?
15 posted on 05/26/2005 10:45:31 AM PDT by xenophiles
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To: mvpel

I don't know. But I do know that Tibetan monks create sand mandelas with tiny grains of sand in many colors using straws...and then it is to be dispersed to the wind. Something about carrying the prayers that are chanted over it while they create it. They preserved one for the museum of art in San Antonio. It'c totally not the purpose in having constructed it.


16 posted on 05/26/2005 11:10:26 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: xenophiles

With the whole world watching, I doubt an attempt at the summit would be made if conditions were less than ideal. Even if there was no window for a summit push, it would still be neat to follow the torch as far as it could go up the mountain.


17 posted on 05/26/2005 12:17:04 PM PDT by TBall
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Awesome! I hope this effort succeeds and is seen as it really should be, a human triumph, instead of being unjustly labeled as a political tool.


18 posted on 05/26/2005 3:15:40 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: Froufrou
Ping is "shorthand" for, "I am calling this aricle/post/etc. to your attention, as I think you might be interested.."

Also, "HEY !! Over Here !! " ;o)

19 posted on 05/26/2005 6:42:18 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: mvpel

Actually, I did not post that. However, I see your point and I agree with you.


20 posted on 05/30/2005 7:17:54 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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