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Wake up, the West is losing
The Sunday Times (UK) ^ | 5/29/05 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 05/28/2005 7:26:57 PM PDT by saquin

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To: CHARLITE

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 05/28/2005 10:49:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Sterco

bttt


42 posted on 05/28/2005 11:08:15 PM PDT by lainde
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To: Petronius
This is, according to some historians, precisely how Christianity spread like wildfire, with devastating consequences for the Roman Empire.

The main difference being: the Church of Jesus Christ was moved by the Holy Spirit; the religion of Islam is motivated by a far different spirit.

And history is still His Story and that is why Islam will join Communism on the ash heap of history...

...but maybe not until millions die.

My biggest fear is the anemic weakness of the western church.  If we are not "filled with the Holy Spirit" as was the early church, Islam may be a viable alternative to a perverse generation (perverse connoting crooked, not straight, a generation that has lost it's way).

43 posted on 05/28/2005 11:19:33 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: streetpreacher

Well said!


44 posted on 05/28/2005 11:28:32 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: saquin

Good news... expose the cult of Muhammad worship known as Muhammadanism.


45 posted on 05/28/2005 11:31:40 PM PDT by dennisw (He writes everything's been returned which was owed...)
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To: saquin
We must not forget, he warns, that it is also “the last faith” in the Abrahamic trinity of Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Mormons might disagree with this... and although much smaller, they're growing fast.

46 posted on 05/28/2005 11:42:39 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: CHARLITE

Christianization in Africa
(arab link)
http://www.aljazeera.net/programs/shareea/articles/2000/12/12-12-6.htm


"Islam used to be, as we stated before, Africa's primary religion...there was around 30 countries that write in arabic , currently the muslim population in Africa dropped to 316 million. Half of that number is of the North African Maghrib arab countries who are muslims anyway. So Africa that we are talking about, the non arabic, now has a muslim population of only 150 million , and if we knew that africa's population is around 1 billion people, then this is for sure a far less ratio/percentage than what it used to be in the beginings of the 20's century....as opposed to this ; The catholic population has risen from around a million of people in 1902 To 329882000 now, lets make it nearer and say 330 million .

As for how this happened, Africa has now a million and half a million churches. The number of the members of these churches 46 million people. Because of the christian missionaries every hour islam loses 667 muslims convert to Christianity, every Day 16000 , every year 6 MILLION."

http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/islamgrows.html

Always look on the bright side! Islam believes that for every koran that's sold, here comes another convert. What they don't understand is how many Westerners are buying the koran to find out WTF is in it, and when they're done, they flush it!


47 posted on 05/29/2005 12:37:21 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: DumpsterDiver
Boomers as in people, or Boomers as in torpedoes?

That's "Boomers" as in ballistic missile submarines (which we have fewer of now than we had earlier, and the number is ominously shrinking yet)...

the infowarrior

48 posted on 05/29/2005 12:52:39 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: CHARLITE; All
You know what I believe:

-Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some links...--

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the link, go to the "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

The entire West ( dare I say "the civilized World?" ) is locked in a fight to the death with militant Islam.

There will be no second-place winner, no "third way" solution-- it is March or Die time, folks.

It is Us versus an eighth-century "culture" of plunder & pillage, forced religious "conversions," and the mistreatment of women.

49 posted on 05/29/2005 1:14:20 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Seems you are not the only one who thinks so, look what I found:

http://www.hindutva.org/

Shape of things to come in Iraq (and the world over)

• The elections are held in Iraq
• Sunni clerics denounce elections
• Voters are killed on election day in Terror attacks
• But election results are announced
• Sunni turnout is less than 20%
• Sunni clerics reject results
• Shia dominated govt is formed
• Sunnis call for US troops to leave
• New Shia dominated govt calls for phased pullout of US forces
• US forces begin a phased pullout
• They re-locate outside the cities in isolated fortified camps
• Terrorists blow off Iraqi parliament, Presidential palace Prime Minister’s residence
• Terrorists assassinate Ministers, Parliamentarians
• A full scale civil war starts between the Sunni dominated insurgents and the new Shia and Kurd Iraqi military
• Iran sends in insurgents to back Shias
• Saudis, Syrians, Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Palestinians send in insurgents to back Sunnis
• Saudis and Kuwaitis call for US action to stop Iran from intensifying the Iraqi civil war
• US seizes the opportunity and bombs Iranian nuke facilities
• Iran tries to crash missiles into Israel and Europe
• Internal rebellion breaks out in Iran
• US special forces start operating inside Iran to topple Mullah regime
• Iranian/Hezbollah forces stage terrorist attacks in Israel and in the West
• US launches an air blitz of Iran followed by a land invasion and sets up a new regime
• The Shah of Iran returns to Iran as a private citizen
• Shia-Hezbollah led terror attacks across the West and Israel intensify
• Israel invades Lebanon to wipe out the Hezbollah threat
• Egypt/Syria threaten Israel with serious consequences.
• Terrorist attacks originating from Gaza intensify in Israel
• Israel warns Syria with military action
• Spectacular mega terror attack in Israel
• Israel declares Syria to be culpable and launches a swift land and air assault on Syria
• Syria appeals for Arab military action to save itself
• Egypt, Jordan and Saudis start military action against Israel
• Israel overruns Jordan to join up with US forces stationed in Iraq
• Israel occupies Damascus
• US forces enter Syria from Syrian-Iraqi border in the North, join up with Israeli military
• After the conquest of Syria, Israel turns on Egypt, annexes Sinai, crosses Suez Canal and threatens Cairo
• Mecca, Medina, Mena, Jiddah taken off the map thru IAF (Israel Air Force) nuke strikes
• Upheaval in the entire Arab world
• Western diplomats and businessmen attacked, kidnapped, beheaded
• Anti-American riots in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia.
• Musharraf and Yudhyono regimes under tremendous pressure to give up pro-US stance
• Musharraf assassinated by pro-Jihadi elements in Army due to his association with the US. The Jihadis last straw being his helping the Americans in finding Iran's nuke sites as a trade off for letting AQ Khan off the hook. But Mushy's gamble does not pay off, as he loses his job and life.
• Jihadi regime in Pakistan ups hostility with India
• Jihadis succeed in smuggling nuclear devices in the US and exploding them simultaneously
• US army takes over US administration, suspends constitution
• US military regime blockades the UN and declares it persona non-grata
• US enters into emergency war council with Russia and Britain
• The triple alliance starts nuclear bombing military targets across the Islamic world
• Pakistani nukes taken out in first strike
• Pakistan explodes some nuke devices on India
• Indian retaliation wipes off Pakistan off the map – death toll in South Asia is over half a billion
• Widespread Hindu-Muslim riots in India on the lines of the Gujarat riots of 2002. Muslim population decimated, Hindus and Christians also suffer heavy death toll.
• Nuclear campaign launched by the triple alliance intensifies as many cities in the Islamic world are taken off the map to wipe off the air forces.
• Seaports in the Islamic world crippled to decapitate the navies
• Radiation causes second wave of deaths. The toll in secondary deaths more than three billion
• More than half of the fatalities are Muslims.
• Almost the entire population in the Muslim world is decimated.
• China joins war against Islam, wipes off Muslim (Ughir) population in Eastern Turkestan
• Muslims in Europe launch a wave of terror attacks in European capitals
• Conditions in Europe very disturbed in a civil war like situation
• Right wing coups in France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark. The new regimes join the triple alliance
• Widespread anti-Muslim riots in Europe aided by the militaries of those countries and NATO forces
• Domestic military action against Muslims in Europe intensifies as European militaries do combing operations to flush out Muslims
• The post-war Muslim population worldwide now accounts for only one percent of the global population concentrated mostly in Europe
• Military action ends, US, Britain and Russia announce reconstruction plan for the world
• Islam outlawed across the globe
• Residual Muslims worldwide embrace Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. Judaism
• Humanity enters post-Islamic phase.
This write-up has been compiled based on analysis by Seymour Hersh and information at the following sites; Stratfor.org, Rand.org, Military.com


50 posted on 05/29/2005 3:36:24 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for the very "interesting" reference:

http://www.hindutva.org/

Just starting to read it on another open tab.


51 posted on 05/29/2005 3:40:45 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Happy to hear you find it interesting, but this Aussie has no idea what an 'open tab' is. Do you never sleep?


52 posted on 05/29/2005 3:47:59 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: saquin

Interesting article, and in some ways mirrors the depressed state of mind that overcomes Americans taking a long look at the world's problems. Notice that the author left out North Korea and China. Good grief. Well, that's on a bad day. The law of averages, plus US technological superiority -- that's the thumb on the butcher's scales -- says we should come out on top.


53 posted on 05/29/2005 3:55:33 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Fred Nerks
Happy to hear you find it interesting, but this Aussie has no idea what an 'open tab' is. Do you never sleep?

To explain- firefox ( and some other browsers ) feature opening a new webpage in a tab on the current page, so you can go back & forth between them... rather than launching a separate browser with control-n, which is a more common way with internet explorer. It makes working on several pages or even different sites a little more convienient, that's all.

Yes, I do indeed sleep at times, despite the best efforts of wife & dog to disturb my rest.

Two nights ago, the wife-unit engaged in behaviour new to me after 20 years of marriage-- she started rolling from one side of the bed to the other- mine- so I gave up and went online early.

Last night, the bloody dog started pawing my back around midnight, and after repeated "dammit, Taffy, you just went out!" didn't settle the little beast we went out in the dead of night...
...and came back, and tried to sleep...
...and she clawed my back again, so we went out again, and came back...

...and after the third repeat of this, amid much ungentlemanly cussing, the secret was revealed...

The Dreaded White Kitty
( not to be confused with Evil Yellow Kitty, or Nasty Black Kitty, her other feline nemeses in the neighborhood )
was trying to get over her fence and infiltrate her yard!

...and so, Taffy goes what I call "Cracker Dog"-- her ears lap back, her tail stands erect and bristles like a bottle brush, and she madly charges the fence, somehow trying to climb over it while simultaneously running in circles and barking like a lunatic.

Naturally, this sets off every other dog in the neighborhood, wakes up the wife-unit, and by the time I get everything calmed down, I just mutter, "The "H" with sleeping; I'll catch a catnap ( poor choice of words... ) later today."

54 posted on 05/29/2005 4:37:36 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
except that maybe the Iraqis will really embrace freedom

Freedom to do what?

55 posted on 05/29/2005 4:49:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Fred Nerks
This write-up has been compiled based on analysis by Seymour Hersh

Utter garbage from a sick mind, concocted so he can blame Bush in advance for the end of the world.

56 posted on 05/29/2005 4:52:53 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: saquin
He makes the case, and it must be made more clearly, that islamism is fascism.

One's religion is a matter of personal choice but if one's faith is bound up with a justification to remove that freedom of choice from others and kill those who resist, it is no longer just a matter of personal choice. Islamism, as distinct from islam, is an infection.

57 posted on 05/29/2005 5:01:26 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: saquin

Selbourne makes a lot of good points. The West is in mortal danger, and he sees it.


58 posted on 05/29/2005 6:06:33 AM PDT by Gritty ("Europeans are anti-American because they fear Islam. They need to blame somebody for it-D Selbourne)
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To: Cicero; A. Pole; TexKat; Gucho; Ernest_at_the_Beach; MEG33; Grampa Dave; gatorbait; PhilDragoo; ...

"But much of his criticism is reserved for the West, which is only too eager to flagellate itself for its alleged shortcomings while rushing to understand its opponents’ point of view (the Newsweek imbroglio over the alleged desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay detention base, a story it later withdrew, is just the latest example). Even in America, “the political class has lost confidence in itself”, he complains.

The American imperium, Selbourne argues, “is in a state of confusion”. Its time will pass, just as Rome, Byzantium and the British Empire fell away. The West is losing the battle against Islam for the “same reason the British lost the American colonies. They had insufficient forces, their counsels were divided, and they underestimated their opponents.

As for the Europeans: “They’re anti-American because of fear of Islam, which is being projected as Bush-phobia. People are very frightened by Islam’s strength and they need to blame somebody for it.”

Thank you "A.Pole"
One America is not imperium
two Not all Europe is lost Brytania Italia Eastern Europe do know this
three "they underestimated their opponents."Come to Iraq
four "The West is losing the battle against Islam"no again come to Iraq Afganistan now and talk
five “is in a state of confusion”America is not"“in a state of confusion”America do have power and America is not alone!!!!
six all Europe do not like America this is total not truth!!!!Come to my country
I do feel this person want to write Europe America is weak and this is total not truth America is not weak Brytania is not weak!!!!! Thank you all



59 posted on 05/29/2005 8:34:23 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (In te credo, in te spero, te amo, te adoro, beata Trinitas unus Deus)
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To: anonymoussierra

Good stuff ~ Thanks Sara!


60 posted on 05/29/2005 8:39:54 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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