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Europe Must Heed Voice of Democracy (A "Must Read")
The Scotsman ^ | 5/29/2005 | Staff Opinion

Posted on 05/29/2005 1:31:01 AM PDT by ex-Texan

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The Scotsman is one of my favorite sources for balanced conservative political opinion. This very detailed editorial could have been written by a regular poster on FR.

Read More About the French EU Vote?

1 posted on 05/29/2005 1:31:02 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: MadIvan; CHARLITE; onyx

ping

methinks it comes down to socialism and muslim immigration being less popular among the sheeple than the shearers had thought.


2 posted on 05/29/2005 1:38:23 AM PDT by King Prout (RG'OIHGV 08 YAEGRKoirliha35u9p089 y5gep'iojq5g353hat5eohiahetb98 ye5po)
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To: MadIvan
What say you?



3 posted on 05/29/2005 1:41:25 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

I totally agree. I would go so far as to say the EU as an institution needs to be destroyed entirely.

Regards, Ivan


4 posted on 05/29/2005 1:44:51 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: King Prout


EU -- dumb idea, IMO.


5 posted on 05/29/2005 1:45:50 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

well, you saw the predictions I made on the UT tonight, yes?


6 posted on 05/29/2005 1:54:18 AM PDT by King Prout (RG'OIHGV 08 YAEGRKoirliha35u9p089 y5gep'iojq5g353hat5eohiahetb98 ye5po)
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To: King Prout


I did?
Remind me.


7 posted on 05/29/2005 1:55:38 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: ex-Texan
Only the EU would not be Socialistic enough for France and hard core leftists.


8 posted on 05/29/2005 3:28:16 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ex-Texan
We have now reached the stage where Britain, still a net contributor to the EU budget, has its parliament bypassed by some 25,000 European regulations a year.

Twenty Five Thousand regulations! A year!

Good gravy!

9 posted on 05/29/2005 3:29:58 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ex-Texan

Excellent and thoughtful analysis, especially for those of us in the US who haven't read the EU Constitution fine print.


10 posted on 05/29/2005 3:35:01 AM PDT by hershey
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To: King Prout

Aren't the Dutch mulling over deporting Muslim immigrants who don't integrate fully into Dutch society?


11 posted on 05/29/2005 3:36:42 AM PDT by hershey
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To: ex-Texan
Let the voters speak. Her Majesty's Government should at the least know what kind of Europe British voters want and then go to the table to obtain an agreement that reflects those wishes. That is the way democracy is supposed to work. And its time Europe began to heed it as well.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
12 posted on 05/29/2005 3:38:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ex-Texan

Good analysis!

I spend a lot of time in Spain, and I am constantly amazed by the presence of EU laws in absolutely every aspect of that country's life. The EU sham constitution received a yes vote there, although even in heavily Socialist Spain, it was not a resounding "yes" and it was only achieved after heavy politicking by the Socialist party. I noticed that Zapatero the Horrible was out campaigning on its behalf in France last week.

The EU politburo is desperate. Of course, since it clearly doesn't matter how the people vote anyway, they'll get their way.


13 posted on 05/29/2005 3:44:23 AM PDT by livius
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To: ex-Texan

Great post. Informative, educational. Thanks.


14 posted on 05/29/2005 3:44:47 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: ex-Texan
The Scotsman?

From what sticks in my mind about Scotland news articles is that they are pretty socialistic.

However, I followed some links around the beginning of the year, and found a story about a Scottish couple that was
going to have sewage dumped next to their cottage because the EU banned the practice of burning dried sewage, which,
pre-EU, went to generating power.

Brussels spouts, little people pout.

15 posted on 05/29/2005 3:53:59 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: hershey

"Aren't the Dutch mulling over deporting Muslim immigrants who don't integrate fully into Dutch society?"

If they were smart, they would deport all Muslims whether or not they try to "integrate" into Duch society.



16 posted on 05/29/2005 4:05:32 AM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: livius
The EU politburo is desperate. Of course, since it clearly doesn't matter how the people vote anyway, they'll get their way.

Precisely. They will have their way. This is aggregation of unchecked power the likes of which Europe has never seen. Not even Bonaparte had this sort of power.

And after they are finally beaten down, the Continental public will be dispirited and submit, and then Eurocrats' American "co-religionists" will be emboldened.

One only hope that the British can recover their ancient dignities and manhood.

We will soon be in a desperate struggle for our own freedoms.

Once Socialism takes root in a society it rarely can be removed except by internal forces. In fact, so far in history it has never been removed by internal rebellion. Even in a place as meek as Canada, the Left will hold on to power despite completely open corruption.

Should the USA go down this path, the world will slip into a new dark age.

That is why the establishment Right must stop winking and signaling this issue and make it the forefront of the discussion. They must call out the dangers in clear terms and call the Democrats by their true names.

They will not do this, and given what is going on in the Senate these days, it is becoming clear what just the reason is for this lack of political courage. W

17 posted on 05/29/2005 4:10:19 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Calvin Locke

That is what is amazing: In the political spectrum of the EU they are practically a bunch of John Birchers.


18 posted on 05/29/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Calvin Locke

You say the Scotsman is socialistic and ex-Tex says its very conservative. I have never read it. Hard to believe such divergent opinions exist as to its leanings.


19 posted on 05/29/2005 4:32:30 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: MadIvan

If there was ever a public referendum that should require a supermajority, it would seem that handing sovereignty over to a larger organization would be one of those times. How can 50% +1 give up the sovereignty of the other half?

You can't be half sovereign.


20 posted on 05/29/2005 4:37:37 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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