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Bones Of Contention ('Hobbits' - More)
Time - Asia ^ | 5-30-2005 | John Stanmeyer

Posted on 05/30/2005 4:35:41 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 05/30/2005 4:35:41 PM PDT by blam
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The virulence of the invective isn't surprising given what's at stake. If proved correct, the existence of H. floresiensis would be nothing less than a revolution in the understanding of human evolution. It's not just that a new species has been claimed to be found, itself an event of seismic proportions. Conventional anthropological wisdom holds that animals, in the absence of big predators, shrink to adapt to life on small, closed habitats like Flores, a phenomenon known as island dwarfism. Humans, however, are thought to have evolved linearly, developing bigger bodies and brains. H. floresiensis, relatively modern yet small—but not a Pygmy, according to its supporters—explodes that theory. "[It'd] go completely against the flow of human evolution," says Thorne. "This would undo everything that we are." Even if the island-dwarfing process did indeed shrink H. floresiensis, says Robert Martin, curator at the Field Museum in Chicago and author of a widely cited textbook on human evolution, the grapefruit size of the brain is too small. "Brains do not shrink proportionally to bodies in a species but remain relatively large," says Martin. "That's why the heads of small dogs, for example, are proportionally large for their bodies compared with larger dogs. To get a brain this size, H. erectus would have to have shrunk to about 3% of its previous 60-kg size. That's about the size of a house cat's." Martin says one thing would persuade him—more physical evidence: "Show me eight more similar skulls from the site and I'll shut up."

The argument should have been at least partly settled by a study conducted by a group of Australian, U.S. and Indonesian scientists (including Brown and Morwood) earlier this year that used computer tomography and 3-D reconstruction techniques to model the brain of H. floresiensis. The resulting paper, published in the journal Science in March, contended that the findings supported the theory of a new species and strongly downplayed the possibility of a disease like microcephaly playing a role. But critics remained unconvinced, citing flaws in the study, such as the suitability of skulls used for comparison. Even one of the paper's authors, Washington University radiologist Charles Hildebolt, conceded that secondary microcephaly (the type not inherited but acquired during life) could not be ruled out.

Controversy over the existence of Pygmies in Indonesia's numberless islands is centuries-old. Writing in the 14th century, Marco Polo described how natives of Sumatra would try to sell the mummified bodies of Pygmies to visitors. But, wrote Polo, "'tis all a lie and cheat. Those ... little men ... are manufactured on the island. There is a kind of monkey on the island which is very small and has a face just like a man's. They take these and pluck out all the hairs except on the beard and chest and then they dry them and stuff them and daub them with saffron until they look like men."

In the village of Rampasasa, Viktor Jurubu harbors no such doubts. He has the floor again and is recounting the story of how Paju, a famous warrior, ran into one of the "normal" people in the woods one day while out hunting. "This beautiful lady lit a fire and cooked the wild boar Paju had killed," Jurubu says. "She wanted to marry him and knew she could tempt him with the taste of cooked meat. He did like the taste, so he agreed to marry her and come out of Liang Bua with the rest of the tribe, founding a new village."

And the bones in the cave? "Of course, they were our ancestors," says Jurubu, with a touch of rheumy indignation. "They must have retreated into the cave after a hunt and got caught there when the river rose. Who else could it be?" That's proving to be a question for the ages.

2 posted on 05/30/2005 4:38:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

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3 posted on 05/30/2005 4:39:24 PM PDT by blam
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4 posted on 05/30/2005 4:42:19 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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5 posted on 05/30/2005 5:18:27 PM PDT by blam
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"Today, it's the villagers of Rampasasa who are causing others to be, if not embarrassed, then at least flustered. Liang Bua is where a team of Australian and Indonesian scientists reported in Nature magazine last October that they had discovered the bones of seven individuals ranging in age from 13,000 to 95,000 years old."

Keep in mind that this island was connected to the Asian mainland and was part Of Sundland until 15,000 - 8,000 years ago. So...they weren't all that isolated until about 13,000 years ago.

6 posted on 05/30/2005 5:24:47 PM PDT by blam
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7 posted on 05/30/2005 8:04:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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"The rest could just be Pygmies and that is even more likely now that we know people in the area around the cave are also Pygmies."

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I think we found the ancestors of the 7 Republican dwarves who snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.


8 posted on 05/30/2005 8:51:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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Assoming a 95,000 year BP origin, These people would have hyad to survive the Toba explosion, and carried on in its cool aftermath (without fire?).

Whatever the scenario, that must be factored in. Agreed?


9 posted on 05/31/2005 6:32:10 AM PDT by shamusotoole
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"These people would have had to survive the Toba explosion, and carried on in its cool aftermath (without fire?)."

Yup, Toba survivors.

I saw a program the other night on these guys (for the 2nd time), some things of note from the program: Their brain case mostly compares to Homo Erectus but, they have huge ridges (all of us have them) in the front of the brain called Brocas area 10. These are greatly oversized when compared to all other Homos.
An 80,000 year old, well worn, shell necklace was found with the remains...Homo Erectus was not suppose to have the mental capacity to make necklaces.

One argument is that they are modern humans with some 'shrinking' disease. The problem with that is that modern humans were not suppose to be there that early. We have much to learn.

10 posted on 05/31/2005 8:01:25 AM PDT by blam
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I just love it when 'theory' is called into question by facts.


11 posted on 05/31/2005 8:57:03 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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Rachel Carson believed everything she was told too. ;’)


12 posted on 03/06/2008 8:27:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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