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Man says sailor attacked him (U.S. Marshal Road Rage cont.)
The Washington Times ^ | 6-2-05 | Arlo Wagner

Posted on 06/02/2005 11:42:17 AM PDT by JZelle

Former U.S. Deputy Marshal Arthur Lloyd testified yesterday that he fatally shot a 20-year-old Navy seaman because the sailor punched and wrestled him, resisted arrest and tried to run him down with his Camaro in Rockville last fall. "I did not want to kill him," Mr. Lloyd testified. "When I saw the car coming toward me, I was just protecting myself." Mr. Lloyd, 54, is charged with killing Seaman Ryan T. Stowers after the two men fought outside Mid-Pike Plaza on the night of Oct. 28. If convicted, Mr. Lloyd could be sentenced to life plus 25 years in prison. He spent 28 years with the U.S. Marshals Service. He retired after the shooting.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: roadrage; sailor; shooting; usmarshal
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1 posted on 06/02/2005 11:42:17 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle

The guy opened up a can of spinich and crazy music stated playing. The next thing I knew I was spinning around on the ceiling fan.


2 posted on 06/02/2005 11:48:56 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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I jumped out of the way. I just started shooting," Mr. Lloyd said, adding that he saw the Camaro's rear window explode from one or two of the three shots. "I shot to defend myself

Seems to me the threat was over and a little payback kicked in.

3 posted on 06/02/2005 11:50:43 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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Did he shot him while he was driving the car toward him or afterwards? I got lost in there somewhere.


4 posted on 06/02/2005 11:51:24 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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Oops..shot = shoot and the last poster just clarified.


5 posted on 06/02/2005 11:52:04 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: beltfed308
Seems to me the threat was over and a little payback kicked in.

Witnesses testified the victim was leaving the scene and driving away from the perp. Give him a fair trial and a fast hanging.

6 posted on 06/02/2005 11:52:16 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: TXBubba

From the wording he had jumped out of the way then fired. Big no no for us lowly civilians.


7 posted on 06/02/2005 11:52:56 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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He turns his car towards me and guns his car. ... I jumped out of the way. I just started shooting," Mr. Lloyd said, adding that he saw the Camaro's rear window explode from one or two of the three shots. "I shot to defend myself.

Hmmmm, that sounds like this guy may have a bit of a problem with his self defense claims. Shot in self defense at a car running away.....

It would make more sense to claim the sailor was resisting arrest.

8 posted on 06/02/2005 12:05:39 PM PDT by konaice
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Miss Bellamy said they saw the Camaro bounce on and off a curb as it tried to pass a black Ford sport utility vehicle and possibly hit the sport utility vehicle's rear bumper. Mr. Lloyd, driving with his wife and five children in the SUV, told the jury that he didn't feel any bumps before he turned into the plaza parking lot.

OK so far...I believe all that.

"My wife told me to stop. There was a guy behind me, banging on the horn and flashing lights," Mr. Lloyd testified. "He shouted out the window, 'You sideswiped my car.' He was cussing and was pretty agitated." Mr. Lloyd said that Seaman Stowers began punching him and that he fought back. Mr. Lloyd said that he was knocked to the ground and that his wife got out of the SUV and said, "Stop. Stop. He's a federal marshal."

Hmmmm...OK...continue.

Even after showing his identification, Mr. Lloyd said Seaman Stowers continued to fight. Mr. Lloyd said he pulled his .40-caliber Glock semi-automatic as further warning and shot the sailor above the right ankle. Seaman Stowers got up, called 911 on a cell phone and climbed into the Camaro even though Mr. Lloyd said he repeatedly told the sailor to get on the ground.

Why would someone who was driving drunk and just assaulted a federal officer call 911? Why would he want other cops to come to the scene if that were the case?

Mr. Lloyd said he again showed his badge to the sailor. "He gets quiet. He turns his car towards me and guns his car. ... I jumped out of the way. I just started shooting," Mr. Lloyd said, adding that he saw the Camaro's rear window explode from one or two of the three shots. "I shot to defend myself. I could hear my baby crying."

Something doesn't add up here. He shot the man after he sped away?

With the sailor in the driver's seat, the Camaro began to move forward and crashed into a storefront. "I didn't know if my shots had hit him," said Mr. Lloyd, who added that he rushed to the Camaro and urged a man to call an ambulance.

The "urged a man to call an ambulance" statement sounds contrived to make the agent appear he was concerned for the man's welfare, when in fact he just killed him.

9 posted on 06/02/2005 12:06:09 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: massgopguy

Not just crazy music but the Stars and Stripes Forever! Get it right! 8-)


10 posted on 06/02/2005 12:07:42 PM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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From the wording he had jumped out of the way then fired. Big no no for us lowly civilians.

I agree a big no no for us subjects.

If you can retreat, run run run

I agree. Give him a fair trial and a fast hanging.


11 posted on 06/02/2005 12:08:58 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (Concealed Carry)
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Let's see, according to accounts:
1. The Sailor initiated the fight (believable, knowing Sailors) BUT
2. The Sailor was shown the marshal's badge and then was shot. (believable)
3. The Sailor called 911 after being shot. (believable)
4. The Sailor then got in his car and fled. (believable, he was shot and probably in fear of his life)
5. The marshal then fired in self-defense (UNBELIEVABLE).
12 posted on 06/02/2005 12:09:10 PM PDT by meandog (FU-DU lurkers)
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....If convicted, Mr. Lloyd could be sentenced to life plus 25 years in prison....

We'll see, but he appears to be one of the more equal animals on the farm.


13 posted on 06/02/2005 12:15:26 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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The reporter seems to be doing his own narration again as he did yesterday.

Do you read anything about when Lloyd exited the vehicle, why and the chain of events that lead up to the fight? No.

14 posted on 06/02/2005 12:25:09 PM PDT by Deguello
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After having personal experience with consuming 3 Long Island Iced Teas and its aftereffects and this 20-year-old sailor consumed 4-5 of the Teas, I'm wondering how he was even standing.


15 posted on 06/02/2005 12:30:47 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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Did he shot him while he was driving the car toward him or afterwards? I got lost in there somewhere.

Does it matter? Stowers was using his vehicle as a weapon. I have no doubt that his Camaro had a Reverse gear.

16 posted on 06/02/2005 12:43:09 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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After having personal experience with consuming 3 Long Island Iced Teas and its aftereffects and this 20-year-old sailor consumed 4-5 of the Teas

Depends on how long he had been at TGIF. Also the glass/pour size makes a difference. Legally 1 an hour if I remember but the BA level confirmed he was over the legal limit for driving.

17 posted on 06/02/2005 12:43:55 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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Does it matter?

Sure does! I think the term aggressor got switched to the marshall after the victim made the 911 call after being shot.

18 posted on 06/02/2005 12:46:35 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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Montgomery County Circuit Judge Ann S. Harrington dismissed the jury early yesterday to hear arguments on whether to admit evidence that showed Seaman Stowers previously had been involved in two similar run-ins with police. One incident was in California and the other in Chestertown, Md.

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Hmmmmm..

19 posted on 06/02/2005 1:06:44 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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Fry the bacon!


20 posted on 06/02/2005 1:07:31 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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