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The Irrationality and Recklessness of Appeasement - (David Limbaugh on Thomas Friedman)
DAVID LIMBAUGH.COM ^ | JUNE 2, 2005 | DAVID LIMBAUGH

Posted on 06/02/2005 9:17:01 PM PDT by CHARLITE

For those of you who may be queasy about the way the Bush administration is approaching and prosecuting the War on Terror I invite you to consider, for purposes of contrast, the mindset toward foreign policy that springs from the worldview of liberalism.

Generally, I refer you to the contrasting reactions of liberals and conservatives to charges against America. Specifically, I refer you to the May 27 column of liberal media icon Thomas L. Friedman, Middle East "expert" and New York Times columnist extraordinaire.

If anything, Friedman is often more reasonable than many of his counterparts on the Left. He purports to support the War on Terror, for example, though it's interesting he bothers to insist that he does -- as if conceding there's a presumption that liberals do not.

If you care to recall, Amnesty International just released its libelous report accusing the United States of abusing prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. The report came on the heels of the shameful Newsweek story claiming an interrogator at Guantanamo had flushed parts of the Koran down a toilet.

These reports were immediately met with strong skepticism among conservatives, who realize, as a policy matter, that this nation bends over backwards to accord the highest respect to the Muslim holy book and to treat prisoners of war -- even terrorist suspects -- more humanely than any other power in history. The transparency of our system would go a long way to ensure that, even if our code of morality didn't, which it does.

Most conservatives were outraged at Amnesty International's inflammatory propaganda comparing Gitmo to a Soviet gulag, similar to their reaction to the indefensible refusal of France, Germany and Russia to support our action against Iraq, though their intelligence agencies were also convinced Saddam was amassing WMD stockpiles.

The Left had quite a different reaction. Just as they rushed to defend the corrupt French, German and Russian regimes, and even cited their recalcitrance as evidence that the United States' position was wrong, their knee-jerk response to the Gitmo reports was to presume American culpability.

Nor was the Left convinced by Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Richard Myers' denunciation of Amnesty International's report as "absolutely irresponsible." Myers, after all, is the face of the U.S. military -- and he works closely with evil Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. How can you expect the Left to believe him?

Of course, the Left was equally unpersuaded, and likely repulsed by Vice President Cheney's assurances that Gitmo detainees "have been well-treated, humanely and decently." They bristled at President Bush's characterization of the report as "absurd" and his assertion that "people who hate America" were behind it.

Enter Thomas Friedman, whose May 27 column begins, "Shut it down. Just shut it down. I am talking about the war-on-terrorism POW camp at Guantanamo Bay. Just shut it down and then plow it under."

Friedman conspicuously avoids mentioning the Amnesty International report in his column. Instead he cites the British, Australian, Canadian and German media. They are all talking about American mistreatment of prisoners, he claims. And they're our allies, he says -- as if the media in those countries love us.

It's obvious that Friedman instinctively believes the terrorists over the military that we are indeed systematically torturing prisoners.

But the thrust of Friedman's argument is not the veracity of the reports of torture, but their "toxic effect on us -- inflaming sentiments against the U.S. all over the world and providing recruitment energy on the Internet for those who would do us ill."

Friedman says we should put on trial the prisoners we have evidence against and "then simply let the rest go home or to a third country." Some may come back to "haunt us" he admits, but "I would rather have a few more bad guys roaming the world than a whole new generation."

But, Tom, the terrorists don't need more fodder for recruitment purposes. They have plenty of ammo to generate hatred apart from spreading false stories about us. But assuming your analysis is correct, wouldn't your energy be better spent in turning it back on your comrades in the media?

If anti-American stories -- whether true or not -- are what stir up Arab sentiment against us, then why no outrage at Newsweek for stoking the flames of hatred among Muslims against us? Why no horror at the Left's constant depiction of President Bush as deliberately fabricating our reasons for attacking Iraq?

Friedman, like many of his colleagues on the Left, simply believe that we can talk and behave ourselves out of this war, if we can just prove to terrorists and the rest of the world that we are nice and peaceful people.

Thank God these appeasers aren't running the War on Terror. And God help us if they ever do.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: camps; closedown; detainees; gitmo; guantanamo; inflammatory; koran; newsweek; nytimes; story; terrorism; thomasfriedman; toilet

1 posted on 06/02/2005 9:17:02 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

I heard liberals were upset because we were sending terrorists home to governments who tortured them for information.

I think we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. We can't send them home, we can't keep them locked up. It is about time we just let them out into the streets of New York City to wreak the havoc they're minded to do, and let the liberals take responsibility for what happens next.

Except that we can't do that. *sigh*


2 posted on 06/02/2005 9:21:03 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: CHARLITE
inflaming sentiments against the U.S. all over the world and providing recruitment energy on the Internet for those who would do us ill

I don't think DU has grown much larger, but we should be ready to round them all up at a moment's notice. ;)

3 posted on 06/02/2005 9:27:49 PM PDT by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: CHARLITE
"Just shut it down and then plow it under."

I agree. Shutdown the MSM and plow it under. Long overdue.

4 posted on 06/02/2005 9:30:20 PM PDT by etcetera
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To: CHARLITE

Some people overthink. Friedman is one. Like madmen, intellectuals are inclined to create universes in their head which have little connection with reality.


5 posted on 06/02/2005 9:52:27 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: RobbyS
And, may I suggest that none of these liberal intellectuals have EVER heard the whine of a bullet aimed their way!

I despise them with a passion -- and I firmly believe that the likes of Friedman, Ignatius, Broder, Matthews and their ilk do a grave disservice to our nation.

Remember the Clinton Renaissance Weekend crowd? Talbott, Holbrooke, Albright, and their ilk ? Globalists all, in the EU tradition, who collectively could do grave damage to our Nation.. You got it !!

Specifically, we are in the beginning stages of a protracted conflict for the very survival of Western Democracy. And, the liberal media (and establishment elitists) simply will not come to grips with that reality.

And, btw, Leicester, England recently went majority Muslim!!! How about that for a wake-up call, Limey?


Hello. Anyone home?? Hold onto your hats, boys and girls!
7 posted on 06/03/2005 12:27:09 AM PDT by dk/coro
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To: CHARLITE

IMHO, if Mr. Friedman actually cared about the danger to America presented by "news stories" that demean Americans and disparage our motives -- he would "turn himself in" for the crime of Sedition.


8 posted on 06/03/2005 7:26:05 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: CHARLITE

Actually, I tend to agree with Friedman. We should close down Gitmo and turn over the detainees to the Northern Alliance for "storage" in its shipping container prisons where few survive if they don't talk. Then, we'll see how severe the conditions in their Caribbean retreat really were in comparison. What do you bet Friedman, the Times and Amnesty International would be the first to whine?


9 posted on 06/06/2005 11:33:14 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY; pfony1
"Actually, I tend to agree with Friedman. We should close down Gitmo and turn over the detainees to the Northern Alliance for "storage" in its shipping container prisons where few survive if they don't talk. Then, we'll see how severe the conditions in their Caribbean retreat really were in comparison. What do you bet Friedman, the Times and Amnesty International would be the first to whine?"

I heard Rush this morning, talking about how the liberal press have been whining about the "unfair and unjust" policy of "rendition" established by George W. Bush. The FACT is that RENDITION (return of captured terror militants to their countries of origin) was established by Bill Clinton! ...so there!

Char

10 posted on 06/06/2005 12:49:04 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I wish the Clintons had stayed in Arkansas.)
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