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This Week in Microsoft
CNet News ^ | 6/3/2005 | Steven Musil

Posted on 06/03/2005 12:46:49 PM PDT by TChris

However, the software giant drew some criticism after confirming that it will not make Internet Explorer 7 available to users of its Windows 2000 operating system. Although Windows 2000 will be supported until 2010, at the end of June of this year Microsoft will no longer accept requests for design changes or new features for the operating system.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: ie; internetexplorer; microsoft; windows2000
This flat ticks me off. M$'s lack of support for such a widely-used O/S in order to force upgrades gets old really fast.
1 posted on 06/03/2005 12:46:50 PM PDT by TChris
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This flat ticks me off. M$'s lack of support for such a widely-used O/S in order to force upgrades gets old really fast.

I want Ford to incorporate all of the new features in the 2006 Mustangs into my 2000 model....without forcing me to upgrade to the new one!!!!!

2 posted on 06/03/2005 12:51:27 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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"I want Ford to incorporate all of the new features in the 2006 Mustangs into my 2000 model....without forcing me to upgrade to the new one!!!!!"


Excellent point. They bought the OS, it works, they just won't get the new features. Windows 2000 will have bug fixes, just not new features.


3 posted on 06/03/2005 12:56:53 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: TChris

How often does your car manufacturer send you a new car or intall upgrades on your old one?

I'd like to buy the cars you buy so I can get my old car refurbed with new fetures, too.


4 posted on 06/03/2005 12:57:48 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: Onelifetogive

Would you be content to get that in exchange for having your Ford crash at random?


5 posted on 06/03/2005 1:00:24 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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crash at random? I've had no crashes on XP at office. My home PC with XP has twice ended up in blue-screen never-never land when left on overnight. Overall XP is pretty stable.


6 posted on 06/03/2005 1:03:21 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Onelifetogive

This should make life interesting here at my work. Everyone's on Win2000 and IE is the default browser for accessing our intranet. Looks like we'll be upgrading to WinXP Pro sooner than I thought.


8 posted on 06/03/2005 1:11:07 PM PDT by reegs
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To: Onelifetogive
I want Ford to incorporate all of the new features in the 2006 Mustangs into my 2000 model....without forcing me to upgrade to the new one!!!!!

Not a very good comparison.

In the computer industry, specifically the Wintel segment, it has been the standard for many years that applications, which, despite Microsoft's best deceptions to the contrary, Internet Explorer is, are developed with the intent of operating on the widest possible array of operating system -- Windows -- versions.

Microsoft is perfectly capable of making IE compatible with all Win32 O/S's (Win95 - Win2003), but deliberately does not. Office still runs on Win98 even!

There is no good vehicular metaphor for this situation, IMO. Users expect Windows software to run on more than one version of Windows. It's the norm. I can't think of anything comparable in the automotive world.

I suppose that Redmond has to keep up appearances, making believe that IE is so deeply embedded into the O/S that they simply can't make IE7 work in Win2000. Yeah, mmmkay.

9 posted on 06/03/2005 1:14:07 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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If M$ incorporates any *new functionality* into IE7 that IE6 or a suitable plugin cannot handle, the outcry from corporate America will force M$ to push IE7 to Win2K. I suspect that XML handling will be the major component difference between IE6 and IE7. M$ is pushing XML as the newest Office file format, so all the other divisions are going to be brought into line.

Hopefully they leave .NET junk as an external feature. They should have learned a lesson from the COM, COM+, DCOM fiasco.

-Alex
10 posted on 06/03/2005 1:19:50 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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To: shellshocked
How often does your car manufacturer send you a new car or intall upgrades on your old one? I'd like to buy the cars you buy so I can get my old car refurbed with new fetures, too.

OK, let's run with that analogy.

What if that same manufacturer was the one who made the tires; you can't buy the car with any other brand. In fact, those tires can't ever be completely removed. And suppose that it was well known that those tires were defective, making it easier for theives to steal your car, and that they had sent you numerous patches for them to get you by, and that other defective parts, including the tires, had always been patched and upgraded for free in the past. Owners of these vehicles are expecting the manufacturer to eventually fix the problems with these tires and send out new ones; they had done so before.

Lets suppose that your company owned thousands of these vehicles, and that they only had about 30-40,000 miles on each of them. They still have plenty of good use left. Now, the new tires are finally announced, they're finally going to be released! But, the manufacturer announces that they are only going to make the new tires for their newest model. One model.

You, and others like you, will just have to live with the defective, unsecure tires they gave you for free as an enhancement to the more defective and more unsecure tires the car came with originally.

...or, and this is the likely result, more and more Windows users are going to be switching to the much more secure Firefox-branded tires. :-)

11 posted on 06/03/2005 1:30:04 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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Hopefully they leave .NET junk as an external feature.

DotNET is just marketing splash for a collection of common technologies. From what development I've done, and documentation I've seen, .NET = HTTP + XML + SOAP + WSDL + Common Language Runtime (C#, VB.NET, etc). Very similar things are also possible with Borland products and Java.

It's kinda like what Intel has done with "Centrino". You take technologies everybody else has too, package them together and give it a whiz-bang name. Presto! Consumers think you have something new and unique.

12 posted on 06/03/2005 1:37:42 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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To: TChris

Excellent response.


13 posted on 06/03/2005 1:43:33 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: TChris
Yup. We are forced to run some .NET junk, so we chose Tomcat/Linux as the platform. The framework for .NET is likely going to be tied closer and closer to the OS in the future (as was done with IE) until the two are indistinguishable. Longhorn was supposed to be fully .NET driven, but everyone complained and that changed.

We use IBM tools, anyway. Java, VisualAge, and Websphere. THAT'S where it's at in application services. I love the whole architecture.

-Alex
14 posted on 06/03/2005 1:53:48 PM PDT by LittleAlex
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The framework for .NET is likely going to be tied closer and closer to the OS in the future (as was done with IE) until the two are indistinguishable. Longhorn was supposed to be fully .NET driven, but everyone complained and that changed.

I've never comprehended MS's fad fetish. The current thing is to make every user interface look and feel like a web page. Who in the *(&% thinks that's a good idea? Since when is HTML the be-all, end-all of user interfaces?

Similarly, the idea of making the whole O/S and all apps live and breath in .NET-land is ludicrous. It will be yet another opportunity for Linux to outperform Windows. The slow performance and unbelievable code bloat that would necessarily accompany such an architecture would simply be laughable.

15 posted on 06/03/2005 2:12:49 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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The current thing is to make every user interface look and feel like a web page. Who in the *(&% thinks that's a good idea?

This started a few years back when M/S was worried Netscape would 'take over' the desktop. M/S went a bit overboard (as is their wont) and proceeded to weld IE into the O/S. Ultimately not a good idea both from the UI side, as you mention, and the O/S code maintainability side.

16 posted on 06/03/2005 4:21:37 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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