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The Smithsonian withdraws sponsorship of intelligent design film
NY Times ^ | 6/3/05

Posted on 06/03/2005 6:25:25 PM PDT by Crackingham

The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History has withdrawn its co-sponsorship of a showing later this month of a film that supports the theory of "intelligent design."

The museum said it would not cancel the screening of the film, "The Privileged Planet," but would return the $16,000 that the Discovery Institute, an organization that promotes a skeptical view of the Darwinian theory of evolution, had paid it.

Proposals for events at the National Museum of Natural History are reviewed by members of the staff, and it shares sponsorship of all events. After the news of the showing caused controversy, however, officials of the museum screened "Privileged Planet" for themselves.

"The major problem with the film is the wrap-up," said Randall Kremer, a museum spokesman.

"It takes a philosophical bent rather than a clear statement of the science, and that's where we part ways with them."

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To: Hacksaw
You still haven't read the subject?

Are you saying that the theory is "Intelligent Design"? If so, what does it predict, how can it be tested and what hypothetical observation(s) would falsify it?

Why do I never get an answer to these questions?
81 posted on 06/05/2005 11:56:58 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
Are you saying that the theory is "Intelligent Design"? If so, what does it predict, how can it be tested and what hypothetical observation(s) would falsify it? Why do I never get an answer to these questions?

You still haven't read the subject. You possibly do not get answers because of the coy act and the general insulting attitude of you and your peers.

82 posted on 06/05/2005 11:59:40 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Real men don't buy their firewood.)
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To: Dimensio

"Why do I never get an answer to these questions?"

Because they have none :)


83 posted on 06/05/2005 12:01:45 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (There is a grandeur in this view of life....)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Perhaps if you were to burn me at a stake, you could finally make me recant my positions about scientific hostility.

Thank you for acknowledging the meaning of "theory", and again validating my point by using the term crackpot in reference to those to which you disagree.

I'm delighted that you can read my mind concerning ID. Do you have any other paranormal skills that you would like to share? What is hilarious is that you keep bolstering my point by arguing against a point I never made. It is quite feasible for someone to be a devout Darwinian apostle and agree with me.
84 posted on 06/05/2005 12:02:17 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: narby
 
....with their rigid interpretation of Genesis....
 
It ain't just Genesis!!!!
 
 
Unfortunately, most Christians 'believe' Evolution because they do NOT know what their Bible says.  If, as they say, they 'believe' the words of Jesus and then of the New Testement writers, they have to decide what the following verses mean:
 
Romans 5:12-21
 12.  Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
 13.  for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
 14.  Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
 15.  But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
 16.  Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
 17.  For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
 18.  Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
 19.  For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 20.  The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
 21.  so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
 
 
If there were  no one man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.
 
If Adam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.
 
If SIN did NOT enter the World thru the one man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.
 
 
Are we to believe that the one man is symbolic?  Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?
 
 
How about these??
 

NIV 1 Peter 1:17-21
 17.  Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
 18.  For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
 19.  but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
 20.  He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
 21.  Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
 
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:7
  No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
 

NIV 2 Timothy 1:8-10
 8.  So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,
 9.  who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
 10.  but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.
 

NIV Titus 1:1-4
 1.  Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness--
 2.  a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
 3.  and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,
 4.  To Titus, my true son in our common faith:   Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
 
And these??
 
NIV Deuteronomy 4:32
  Ask now about the former days, long before your time, from the day God created man on the earth; ask from one end of the heavens to the other. Has anything so great as this ever happened, or has anything like it ever been heard of?
 
NIV Psalms 89:47
  Remember how fleeting is my life. For what futility you have created all men!
 
NIV Psalms 104:30
  When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.
 
NIV Psalms 139:13
  For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
 
NIV Psalms 148:4-5
 4.  Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
 5.  Let them praise the name of the LORD, for he commanded and they were created.
 
NIV Isaiah 40:26
   Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name.
 
NIV Isaiah 41:19-20
 19.  I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together,
 20.  so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the LORD has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.
 
NIV Isaiah 42:5-6
 5.  This is what God the LORD says-- he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:
 6.  "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand.
 
NIV Isaiah 43:1
  But now, this is what the LORD says-- he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
 
NIV Isaiah 43:6-7
 6.  I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth--
 7.  everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made."
 
NIV Isaiah 45:7-8
 7.  I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and  create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
 8.  "You heavens above, rain down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness grow with it; I, the LORD, have created it.
 
NIV Isaiah 45:12
  It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.
 
NIV Isaiah 45:18
  For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-- he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."
 
NIV Isaiah 54:16-17
 16.  "See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc;
 17.  no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me,"  declares the LORD.
 
NIV Isaiah 57:16
  I will not accuse forever, nor will I always be angry, for then the spirit of man would grow faint before me-- the breath of man that I have created.
 
NIV Isaiah 65:17-18
 17.  "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
 18.  But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy.
 
NIV Ezekiel 28:13-15
 13.  You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire,  turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings  were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.
 14.  You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
 15.  You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.
 
NIV Malachi 2:10
  Have we not all one Father ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?
 
NIV Matthew 13:35
  So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."
 
NIV Matthew 25:34
  "Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
 
NIV Mark 10:6
   "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'   (Not umpteen eons later; after lots of Evolution takes place!)
 
NIV Mark 13:18-19
 18.  Pray that this will not take place in winter,
 19.  because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.
 
NIV Romans 1:20
  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
 
NIV Romans 1:25
  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
 
NIV Romans 8:20-22
 20.  For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
 21.  that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
 22.  We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
 
NIV 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
 8.  For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
 9.  neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
 
NIV Ephesians 3:8-9
 8.  Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
 9.  and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
 
NIV Colossians 1:16-17
 16.  For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
 17.  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
 
NIV 1 Timothy 4:4-5
 4.  For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
 5.  because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
 
NIV Hebrews 4:13
  Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
 
NIV Hebrews 9:11
  When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,  he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
 
NIV Hebrews 9:26
  Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world.
 
NIV Hebrews 12:26-29
 26.  At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens."
 27.  The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is, created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
 28.  Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,
 29.  for our "God is a consuming fire."
 
NIV 2 Peter 3:4
   They will say, "Where is this `coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
 
NIV Revelation 4:11
  "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
 
NIV Revelation 10:6
  And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!
 
NIV Revelation 13:8
  All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
 
NIV Revelation 17:8
  The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

85 posted on 06/05/2005 12:07:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Dimensio
Why do I never get an answer to these questions?

Uh...

Perhaps because you only sing one tune:

You're A Liar!


86 posted on 06/05/2005 12:10:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: SampleMan
"Perhaps if you were to burn me at a stake, you could finally make me recant my positions about scientific hostility."

Good point, I'll look into it.

"Thank you for acknowledging the meaning of "theory", and again validating my point by using the term crackpot in reference to those to which you disagree"

All theories do not all deserve the same respect. Evolution deserves tremendous respect because it has withstood scrutiny for almost 150 years. For a competing theory to seriously challenge the validity of it they must provide strong evidence against it. ID does no such thing.

"I'm delighted that you can read my mind concerning ID. Do you have any other paranormal skills that you would like to share?"

I don't need to read your mind to know what your opinion of ID vs. Evolution is. Just as ID advocates don't need to say explicitly that they are talking about a Christian God when they say *intelligent designer*. They don't mean the Hindu pantheon.
87 posted on 06/05/2005 12:14:09 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (There is a grandeur in this view of life....)
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To: Hacksaw
You still haven't read the subject.

Yes, I have. The subject gives no predictions of "Intelligent Design" theory, offers no tests and provides no hypothetical falsification criteria.

You possibly do not get answers because of the coy act and the general insulting attitude of you and your peers.

My attitude has been shaped by the fact that polite inquiries on the same matters were never given an answer either.
88 posted on 06/05/2005 12:17:36 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"I don't need to read your mind to know what your opinion of ID vs. Evolution is."

And yet you are wrong. I have no opinion on ID, as I've never read the theory. This is what happens when emotion rules over observed facts. Imagine that, you were wrong, and yet so certain.

Thanks again for proving my point concerning the emotional response of those who think themselves scientific.

89 posted on 06/05/2005 12:33:35 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Elsie

That's all real nice and all. All those references to creation. It's too bad none of them say how God did all that, because evolution is a pretty neat creation of God's.


90 posted on 06/05/2005 12:34:11 PM PDT by narby (Ignorance is God’s gift to Kansas.)
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To: SampleMan

"And yet you are wrong. I have no opinion on ID"

Suuuure :)


91 posted on 06/05/2005 12:39:08 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (There is a grandeur in this view of life....)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
All theories do not all deserve the same respect.

Just as some of Orwell's animals were more equal. You are a treasure. Do all evolutionists foam at the mouth? I wonder how that developed. Did early bacterium foam when challenged? Perhaps the foaming is attractive to fertile mates. This must be. How else to explain its current existence, despite millions of years? Or perhaps it was ID, and you were intended to have foam, as to warn others. Alas, I'm afraid it is all open to debate (unless of course you get your way).

92 posted on 06/05/2005 12:49:39 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

You really do crack me up. You are bound and determined to have an argument with me over something to which I haven't voiced an opinion.

I'm now thinking about your IQ, but being a mind reader, you know what I'm thinking. Please, please, keep it up. Although I was only voicing an assertion, you are providing vast amounts of factual support. I may actually have to publish now. Where do I send the check? This is too funny! Thanks, I'm in a great mood now. Gotta go. I'll check in later to fill in my footnotes.


93 posted on 06/05/2005 12:56:15 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
"You are a treasure"

I know :)

I repeat, all theories do not deserve the same respect. The earth-centered theory of the universe for instance. Or ID. There is no reason for a scientist today to consider either when both have been shown to be either wrong, or in ID's case, completely outside the realm of scientific testability. They had their chance and they blew it.
94 posted on 06/05/2005 1:01:49 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (There is a grandeur in this view of life....)
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Lurking ...
95 posted on 06/05/2005 1:11:37 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I repeat, all theories do not deserve the same respect.

The problem here is that science works with "scientific theories", and an explanation must fit a specific set of criteria to be a theory within the context of science. Thus far ID hasn't even demonstrated that it does that much, so from the standpoint of science, it isn't a theory at all, much less "deserving" of the same respect as actual scientific theories.
96 posted on 06/05/2005 1:23:13 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

"The problem here is that science works with "scientific theories", and an explanation must fit a specific set of criteria to be a theory within the context of science. Thus far ID hasn't even demonstrated that it does that much, so from the standpoint of science, it isn't a theory at all, much less "deserving" of the same respect as actual scientific theories."

I agree. At one point it was the dominant paradigm among scientists, which is why I called it a *theory*. *Explanation* would have been a better term.


97 posted on 06/05/2005 1:57:07 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (There is a grandeur in this view of life....)
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To: American Vet Repairman
"There are people that will not believe in a creator no matter what evidence is given..."

Prove this "creator" exists. What is this "evidence" you mention. If it really exists, proving the existence of your god should be a snap.

98 posted on 06/05/2005 4:09:29 PM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Elsie

99 posted on 06/05/2005 4:15:10 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: WildHorseCrash

"Prove this "creator" exists."

Look in the mirror. Look at your eyes. I mean take a good long look. Now think about this. How did evolution know things needed to be in focus, how did evolution know there were colors to be seen? How could we, who are so wonderfully made-be the product of a string of coincidences? Wild Horse...you are the proof.


100 posted on 06/05/2005 4:32:20 PM PDT by American Vet Repairman
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