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Just Give Me That Old-time Atheism!
Toronto Star ^ | May 23, 2005 | Salman Rushdie

Posted on 06/04/2005 3:57:12 AM PDT by MississippiMasterpiece

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To: balrog666

My point exactly! Imagine the faith it takes to disregard that level of evidence!


41 posted on 06/04/2005 2:47:52 PM PDT by beavus
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To: beavus
So absence of belief in any gods is "atheism"?

By my definition, yes.

42 posted on 06/04/2005 3:09:40 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Most scientists I know don't care enough about religion even to call themselves atheists - Weinberg)
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To: Tribune7
LOL. And how is my statement wrong, pray tell?

Some people might not share your particular top ten ranking of the 'big-questions'.

43 posted on 06/04/2005 3:10:45 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Most scientists I know don't care enough about religion even to call themselves atheists - Weinberg)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Some people might not share your particular top ten ranking of the 'big-questions'.

OK, I'll be more specific. Everybody has a belief system that addresses why what happens during life, what happens after death and how they should behave.

44 posted on 06/04/2005 4:10:00 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Raycpa
Atheists believe there is no God. That is a belief system.

I don't believe you.

45 posted on 06/04/2005 4:21:56 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Raycpa
The absence of an answer for why love exists is a problem for atheism.

I don't believe you.

46 posted on 06/04/2005 4:32:00 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Tribune7
OK, I'll be more specific. Everybody has a belief system that addresses why what happens during life, what happens after death and how they should behave.

So, what is a belief system? If someone asks me how hydrogen is converted into energy in a fuel cell, and I say "I don't know, but I haven't seen any evidence that a magic pixie comes in to make the change", does that mean I have a belief system?

47 posted on 06/04/2005 4:39:04 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Mushinronshasan
So, what is a belief system? If someone asks me how hydrogen is converted into energy in a fuel cell, and I say "I don't know, but I haven't seen any evidence that a magic pixie comes in to make the change", does that mean I have a belief system?

If you say "I don't know" and leave it at that it would mean the answer isn't important to you -- which would reflect a belief system.

48 posted on 06/04/2005 4:43:32 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: MississippiMasterpiece

Funny, when you consider that this is a mirror-image of the truth.


49 posted on 06/04/2005 4:47:09 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Tribune7
If you say "I don't know" and leave it at that it would mean the answer isn't important to you -- which would reflect a belief system.

So, anything we don't know isn't important? Gee, that's a new one. I guess that takes all the interest out of what is going to happen in the stock market next week. And, it would also reflect the belief system that investors have about how their finances will turn out.

Sorry, but your reply doesn't make one bit of sense

50 posted on 06/04/2005 4:50:36 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Mushinronshasan
So, anything we don't know isn't important?

Anything you choose not to consider isn't important to you. What one belives is important or unimportant is part of one's belief system.

51 posted on 06/04/2005 5:00:56 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Anything you choose not to consider isn't important to you. What one belives is important or unimportant is part of one's belief system.

You are not making sense.

Not knowing something is not the same as not being important. That is why I used the analogy of the stock market. Do you suppose there are advisers who will tell us which stocks will prosper, and which ones will not? If an investor chooses not to accept the evidence-absent assertions of a stock analyst, would you consider that the investor thinks the future market postion is not important?

How about leprechauns? You can't possibly have any knowledge of whether or not they exist. Therefore, that must be your religion. I've heard that those creatures wear different colored hats. Are you of the non-leprechaunist green hat faith, or the non-leprechaunist taupe hat faith?

52 posted on 06/04/2005 5:22:07 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Mushinronshasan
Not knowing something is not the same as not being important.

It is not "not knowning something." It is not WANTING to know someting.

And it's not about something "not being important." It's about what you BELIEVE is important.

What you believe is your belief system.

53 posted on 06/04/2005 5:54:18 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Everybody has a belief system that addresses why what happens during life, what happens after death and how they should behave.

There you go again with the 'everybody'.

'Why' what happens during life is a meaningless question. What happens after death is decomposition, unless you're Ted Williams. How you should behave is governed by your ethical code, not your belief system.

54 posted on 06/04/2005 6:00:50 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Most scientists I know don't care enough about religion even to call themselves atheists - Weinberg)
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To: sirchtruth
Fixed it for you: "You have to have alot of faith NOT to believe in God Santa Claus (or Zuess, Thor, et al).
55 posted on 06/04/2005 6:10:29 PM PDT by lemura
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To: balrog666
You know whats going on in that Bermuda Triangle?
Down in the Bermuda Traingle
Elvis needs boats.
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Elvis needs boats.

Aahh! The Sailing Elvis!
Captain Elvis!
Commodore Elvis it is.

I believe in Mojo Nixon.

56 posted on 06/04/2005 6:10:39 PM PDT by FreedomAvatar (Gravity is only a theory)
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To: Tribune7
It is not "not knowning something." It is not WANTING to know someting. And it's not about something "not being important." It's about what you BELIEVE is important. What you believe is your belief system.

You are not making sense.

Whether a person knows something or not has no relation to that person's desire to know something. If you make a wild unevidenced irrational assertion, and I don't believe it, it doesn't mean the topic is not important to me.

So, for the record, I don't believe you. You may NOT assume that anything you are talking about is unimportant to me. I simply don't believe you.

Capiche?

57 posted on 06/04/2005 6:16:10 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Tribune7
It is not "not knowning something." It is not WANTING to know someting. And it's not about something "not being important." It's about what you BELIEVE is important. What you believe is your belief system.

You are not making sense.

Whether a person knows something or not has no relation to that person's desire to know something. If you make a wild unevidenced irrational assertion, and I don't believe it, it doesn't mean the topic is not important to me.

So, for the record, I don't believe you. You may NOT assume that anything you are talking about is unimportant to me. I simply don't believe you.

Capiche?

58 posted on 06/04/2005 6:17:21 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Mushinronshasan

Capiche?

No, wait. That's quiche.
59 posted on 06/04/2005 7:13:04 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
'Why' what happens during life is a meaningless question.

That's how your belief system deals with the question.

What happens after death is decomposition, unless you're Ted Williams.

That's the belief system of a materialist -- one who claims that the atoms in your body -- and only the atoms -- are you, no soul, nothing eternal.

How you should behave is governed by your ethical code, not your belief system.

And the source of your ethical code is what?

60 posted on 06/04/2005 8:59:15 PM PDT by Tribune7
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