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Kathy forced off her Zimbabwe farm
Waterford News & Star ^ | June 3 | Jennifer Long

Posted on 06/05/2005 12:32:23 AM PDT by MRMEAN

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To: muir_redwoods
My comment is not racist.
I have been to more than 6 countries in Africa.
Stupidity runs rampant there.
Of course, I met some smart people as well, but they were vastly outnumbered.

Have you been to Africa?

41 posted on 06/05/2005 7:30:37 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

I have not been to Africa. That being said, I do know the difference between being bright and uneducated and not being bright. I suspect that you do not. Bright refers to intelligence, the mental horsepower people are born with. I assert that it does not vary ethnically. To suggest otherwise is racist.


42 posted on 06/05/2005 7:34:41 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods
I have not been to Africa.

I rest my case.

43 posted on 06/05/2005 7:38:17 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots
"To suggest otherwise is racist.

And I rest mine

44 posted on 06/05/2005 7:42:07 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods
Africans are as bright as any people on earth.
You've obviously never spent any time in Africa.

You cannot assert something which you do not know. You have said that you were never in Africa. I have been to a half dozen countries there.

I only said that they are not too bright in Africa.
I did not say it was because they are black.

In my travels, I have also noticed that the people in Thailand are among the very nicest in the world. This is not because they are south-east Asian. It's just another observation from one who travels extensively.

Every time someone says something - no matter as to whether or not it is true - if someone finds it disagreeable, the best response is to call them a racist. Any negative comments about Africa are therefore racist. We can only say nice things so as not to dent anyones' self esteem! I'm so sick of this.

45 posted on 06/05/2005 7:50:54 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Clive; JOHANNES801; Red Sea Swimmer; muir_redwoods; SkyPilot
Very few of the confiscated farms are still in production. All the skilled farm employees are living hard in the bush or in hastily erected dagga huts or shanties near the cities where they are serving no good to the agrarian economy upon which Zimbabwe was once based.

The blacks of Zimbabwe will be expelled or exterminated by the new masters that Mugabe is selling the country to:

Zimbabwe -- Chinese to take over former white-owned farms
The Zimbabwe government is planning to offer former white farms for free to Chinese state-owned firms in a desperate bid to revive the key agricultural sector, ZimOnline has learnt.

Zimbabwe's New Colonialists(Mugabe begins selling off his country to curry favor with the Chinese)

The police, under direct orders from Didymus Mutasa, the head of the secret police (Zimbabwe's Central Intelligence Organization), have brutally removed any competition to Chinese traders whose shops have sprung up around the capital over the past few years.
The Chinese will take over running the farms, use that as an excuse to import 100,000 young male "agricultural workers" to work on them. If Mugabe misbehaves, the young men will dig up stashes of pre-positioned weapons and take out Mugabe's government in a day

I don't think that will happen. More likely, Mugabe is getting a flow of cash into his bank accounts to shut up and allow the Chinese to flood the country with people.

What the blacks of Zimbabwe will discover once there is a critical mass of Chinese there, is that the Chinese want the mines, but do not need black workers. They have enough peasant workers they can ship over to reduce overcrowding in China. The blacks of Zimbabwe will get the same treatment the Indians got in the US: get out of the way or be exterminated

46 posted on 06/05/2005 7:53:46 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: JOHANNES801

Actually I believe it's Madagascar.


47 posted on 06/05/2005 7:56:05 AM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!)
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To: Clive

Yep, I though it might have been Cathy Buckle at first, too.


48 posted on 06/05/2005 7:56:42 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: backhoe

Yep and that's very sad.


49 posted on 06/05/2005 7:57:08 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: jocon307
Well, what happened to the old Egyptians? I mean Cleopatra did live at the time of the Romans, so, what happened, where did they go? Were they just over run and bred out by Arabs?

Cleopatra was of Greek descent

Alexander the Great of Macedonia (what's now northern Greece) conquered Egypt, and installed his people as the new ruling class.

50 posted on 06/05/2005 7:57:16 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: jocon307

Cleopatra was Greek.


51 posted on 06/05/2005 7:57:20 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: muir_redwoods
Proof of what I have noticed:

(from "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" Richard Lynn, Tatu Vanhanen Praeger, ISBN 027597510X)
2002 [Tatu Vanhanen Praeger is the father of the Finnish Prime Minister]


Country IQ estimate
Hong Kong 107
South Korea 106
Japan 105
Taiwan (ROC) 104
Singapore 104
Austria 102
Germany 102
Italy 102
Netherlands 102
Sweden 101
Switzerland 101
Belgium 100
China (PRC) 100
New Zealand 100
United Kingdom 100
Hungary 99
Poland 99
Spain 99
Australia 98
Denmark 98
France 98
Norway 98
United States 98
Canada 97
Czech Republic 97
Finland 97
Argentina 96
Russia 96
Slovakia 96
Uruguay 96
Portugal 95
Slovenia 95
Israel 94
Romania 94
Bulgaria 93
Ireland 93
Greece 92
Malaysia 92
Thailand 91
Croatia 90
Peru 90
Country IQ estimate
Turkey 90
Colombia 89
Indonesia 89
Suriname 89
Colombia 88
Brazil 87
Iraq 87
Mexico 87
Samoa 87
Tonga 87
Lebanon 86
Philippines 86
Cuba 85
Morocco 85
Fiji 84
Iran 84
Marshall Islands 84
Puerto Rico 84
Egypt 83
India 81
Ecuador 80
Guatemala 79
Barbados 78
Nepal 78
Qatar 78
Zambia 77
Congo-Brazzaville 73
Uganda 73
Jamaica 72
Kenya 72
South Africa 72
Sudan 72
Tanzania 72
Ghana 71
Nigeria 67
Zimbabwe 66
Congo-Kinshasa 65
Sierra Leone 64
Ethiopia 63
Equatorial Guinea 59
 

My information comes from first hand experience in Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Togo, Senegal, Chad, Nigeria and Egypt. I found this abstract only now. This chart corroborates what I have witnessed first-hand.

52 posted on 06/05/2005 8:00:57 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Fred Hayek
The only barriers that Nigeria needs to overcome are the corruption and the thugocracy. These are the things that drove out much of Nigeria's professionals (engineers, doctors, etc.). On the bright side the church is gaining strength there - the Anglican Church there is NOT the ECUSA!

Nigeria's big problem is Islam.

The educated/professional class is mostly Christian from the southern Ibo tribe, but they are outnumbered by the Muslims in the north.

Add to that an impending civil war between the Christians and Muslims, with outside jihaadist help for the Muslims, battling for control of the oil wealth

53 posted on 06/05/2005 8:04:55 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: SauronOfMordor; jocon307
Well, what happened to the old Egyptians? ...
Cleopatra was of Greek descent...

Cleopatra also had a nice Asp.

54 posted on 06/05/2005 8:06:18 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

I believe culture affects IQ.

I don't know why anyone would even argue it doesn't.

The acrimony always comes up when folks debate what comprises and forms particular culture.

I think geographic isolation has always been a big factor.

Anyhow....you've pushed the big button here and many new age Conservatives prefer to ignore that area of realism.

I've spent a lot of time in Africa too....a whole lot in Sierra Leone in the 80s.

I do not believe one can bring entire cultures through massive change from near bronze age to our era in an historical overnight. Of course, it can be done with individuals and it helps if good leaders are found....something Lower Africa has never had.


55 posted on 06/05/2005 8:10:56 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: SauronOfMordor

Yep.

Biafra memories.

The Ibo lost out big.

They are heads above the Yoruba and Hausa in my view.

and for one reason.


56 posted on 06/05/2005 8:15:43 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: muir_redwoods
I assert that it does not vary ethnically. To suggest otherwise is racist.

The new blasphemy. The utterance of heretical thoughts will get you burned at the stake in today's PC world.

In every group, there are bright members and stupid members, and I try to deal with individuals as individuals. The distribution curves of IQ among ethnic groups, however, has been studied to death (however much academics are loath to publicize their data).

Explain how the children of Vietnamese boat people, living side by side with American blacks, going to the same inferior schools, within one generation rise out of there. Look at the faces of who's in the Tier-1 colleges majoring in engineering, pre-med, and other majors where a professor can't rationalize giving a good grade to somebody who has not demonstrated an ability to absorb hard data and reason effectively with it

57 posted on 06/05/2005 8:21:10 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: SauronOfMordor; Bon mots

Life is too short to spend any of it conversing with racists or their apologists.


58 posted on 06/05/2005 8:25:05 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Bon mots

I'm noting with interest the difference between Hong Kong (107) Taiwan(104) and the rest of China (100). I wonder how much of it is explained by generations of the brightest Chinese going to Hong Kong to seek their fortune in the capitalist oasis of China, as well as the Chinese middle-class fleeing communism to Taiwan?


59 posted on 06/05/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: wardaddy
I believe culture affects IQ. I don't know why anyone would even argue it doesn't.

Culture is the prime determining factor of success. Here I define "culture" according to the group's attitudes on what is considered admirable and what is contemptable.

A group that confers high status to scholars (as Asian and Jewish culture does) will turn out lots of excellent scholars, as parents will be very focused on the kids learning starting at birth. A culture that reserves its highest status for athletes, musicians, and gangsters will produce lots of those instead

That said, there is an identifiable genetic component, as seen by studies comparing kids adopted and raised by parents of a different racial group to kids raised by parents of their own group

60 posted on 06/05/2005 8:39:32 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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