Posted on 06/06/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
These churches are supported largely by estates that were willed to them back when they stood for Christ.
I think often of the good Methodists, et al, who left money in their wills to keep supporting the evangelical work of these churches. How they would be horrified to find that their gift had been turned against God's work!
The perverted have taken over the governing boards of our churches.
Oh, I'm sure she feels that God had a lapse in judgment on that day, it certainly couldn't have been anything the people were doing.
BTW, my husband was born in WI and your name would fit for him also.
Well, I'm done. The National Council of Churches, to which the ELCA belong, really piss me off, but this is the final straw.
There's Wisconsin Evangelical and Missouri Synod churches near here, so I'll have to check them out.
She's at a "Reconciling in Christ" church.
You are right about the hymns! Couldn't agree more!
Leni
bookmarked!
Actually, I think it means they are, like their Episcopalian brethern, becoming neo-pagans.
I attend an ELCA church (very blue state church) in the heart of one of the reddest of states (OK). My wife and I have really been struggling with whether to stay or find another church. There are Baptist churches (love you guys!) on nearly every corner.
But I was raised Southern Baptist and found the "by grace alone" message of the Lutherans both comforting and reassuring and since communing at this church I feel I've grown spiritually and have developed a mature and deeper love of Christ's sacrifice. I greatly respect our Baptist brethren's devotion to the great commission and their scripture-first stances against all that is PC. My wife, however, was raised Lutheran and I think the loss of the liturgy would be too much.
Also, kids (12, 10 and 6) have known no other church.
My mother recently left her Episcopal church and is communing at an Anglican splinter church. Good for her.
Missouri Synod (or Wisconsin) makes all the sense in the world, but her family might disown us. So it's either ELCA or some other liturgy-based communion.
This is the generic answer from these individuals.
I carry a pocket New Testament on me at all times. I'd show anyone who makes that statement Jude 7.
Jude 1:7 [The wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns--which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity--are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire. (Amplified)
This pompous liberal twit was installed as bishop of the ELCA's Greater Milwaukee Synod in 2002. And at my congregation! I should know, having sat through all 3-4 smug, self-congratulatory hours of it. I was only there because my daughter was singing in one of the choirs. Never again!
But Pastor Jay Thorson, 45, of Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church in Hubertus, disagreed with the vote and said homosexuality is a sin.
My brother is a conservative pastor of a very conservative ELCA congregation in Pennsylvania, and would concur with Pastor Jay Thorson. Most of us are just playing the waiting game until the vote at the ELCA Churchwide Assembly in August. Many lifelong Lutherans do not fully realize the extent to which the liberal ELCA hierarchy (like Paul Stumme-Diers) have hijacked this denomination and turned it into another religion altogether. It makes me sick to see the havoc their ideology is wreaking on once healthy congregations. The morale at ours is terrible and the congregation is hemorrhaging members.
Our kids were all raised in this congregation. Our son had his Eagle Scout ceremony there. It will hurt to leave the people who supported us and prayed for us when he was critically ill with cancer last year. But I know we will be leaving, as will many of those same people. We haven't yet decided where. Mark Hanson and his ilk think they are leading, but will turn around to find nobody left following behind them.
The children could tell you a lot about that.
I encourage you to check out the website of the Society of the Holy Trinity http://www.societyholytrinity.org Read the page on "The Rule" http://www.societyholytrinity.org/rule.htm, paying particular attention to the section entitled "Parish Practices". Then look at the membership directory http://www.societyholytrinity.org/stswebdirectory.htm to see if there are any STS members serving a congregation within a reasonable driving distance. Although not every parish is practicing every aspect of the Rule at this time, most subscriber clergy are committed to working toward those goals and have a deliberate plan to achieve them incrementally. These clergy would be delighted to receive visitors and/or new members who share those commitments.
Like you, they are somewhat embattled within their own denomination. They would welcome your support and you would benefit from their ministry.
Some of the best Theologians in the R.C. Church today seem to be former Lutherans according to what I have read in the past 20 years.
This is getting to be a broken record Tony.
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