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Geldof condemned over Pope 'invite'
Yahoo News ^ | 6/6/05 | Yahoo News

Posted on 06/06/2005 6:44:04 PM PDT by wagglebee

Campaigners have penned an open letter to Bob Geldof in protest at his decision to invite the Pope to support Live 8.

The National Secular Society (NSS) is pointing to the Vatican's refusal to condone the use of condoms, saying it has helped spread HIV in Africa.

The society, which campaigns for religion to be taken out of public life, says it will create a counter-campaign of protest against any decision by Pope Benedict XVI to get involved.

NSS executive director Keith Porteous Wood said Geldof should not have written to the Pope about attending the Hyde Park event.

He said: "Inviting the Pope to Live 8 would be a slap in the face for all those currently working to stem the spread of Aids in Africa.

"Aids is destroying lives, communities and, ultimately, will destroy whole nations for generations to come unless greater efforts are made to check it.

"To invite the Pope, who has supported and reinforced this inhumane policy, to an event aimed at combating poverty through protest, verges on an obscenity. The invitation must be withdrawn immediately."

At the launch of Live 8, singer Sir Elton John raised his concerns about the invitation, saying: "When you take into consideration their (the Catholic Church's) views of contraception, and how this affects the spread of Aids... it adds to the general poverty of this region, doesn't it?"

The event in London's Hyde Park - featuring Madonna, Robbie Williams and Paul McCartney - will draw attention to poverty and debt in the developing world.

Five free concerts will take place simultaneously in London, Paris, Berlin, Rome and Philadelphia on July 2.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; aids; benedictxvi; bobgeldof; catholicism; contraception; live8; pope
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At the launch of Live 8, singer Sir Elton John raised his concerns about the invitation, saying: "When you take into consideration their (the Catholic Church's) views of contraception, and how this affects the spread of Aids... it adds to the general poverty of this region, doesn't it?"

He doesn't approve of your homosexuality either.

1 posted on 06/06/2005 6:44:05 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Salvation; NYer

Benedict XVI ping!


2 posted on 06/06/2005 6:44:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
"Aids is destroying lives, communities and, ultimately, will destroy whole nations for generations to come unless greater efforts are made to check it.

I am no Catholic, but I am pretty sure the Pope is for abstinence, the best way to "check" HIV.

3 posted on 06/06/2005 6:51:45 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: wagglebee
Well we can't do anything about those who want to live as they please. But its interesting they get judgmental over people who do want to be associated with the Pope. We have a live and let live attitude towards the "tolerant types" but they don't seem to reciprocate it towards those they disagree with. Being a liberal is always an opportunity to show others you think they're either quaint or have narrow-minded values.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
4 posted on 06/06/2005 6:52:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: wagglebee

Nice name: "Porteous Wood". BTW, what does "porteous" mean? It is not in my dictionary.


5 posted on 06/06/2005 6:53:24 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: vpintheak

The left will NEVER accept abstinence as a solution for anything.


6 posted on 06/06/2005 6:53:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Wrong. They'll acceptance abstinence as a solution for avoiding conservatives. LOL

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 06/06/2005 6:57:31 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: wagglebee

I marvel at how many people think that a condom is the solution to the problem of AIDS in Africa.


8 posted on 06/06/2005 6:58:16 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: wagglebee

Sounds like they're off to an ominous start.


9 posted on 06/06/2005 6:58:30 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

What's ironic is that if most AIDS "victims" followed the teachings of the Church, they wouldn't have AIDS.

I am of course not referring to those who contracted AIDS through a bad blood transfusion.


10 posted on 06/06/2005 7:01:58 PM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: Paul Atreides

"I marvel at how many people think that a condom is the solution to the problem of AIDS in Africa."

So true.

The whole condom myth is such a lie.

Editor of Rubber Chemistry and Technology, Dr. C. Michael Roland of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory in Washington D.C., spoke about his research on "intrinsic flaws" in latex rubber condoms and surgical gloves (published in Rubber World, June, 1993).

Roland said that what I am about to relate is "common knowledge among good scientists who have no political agenda."

Electron microscopy reveals the HIV virus to be about O.1 microns in size (a micron is a millionth of a metre). It is 60 times smaller than a syphilis bacterium, and 450 times smaller than a single human sperm.

The standard U.S. government leakage test (ASTM) will detect water leakage through holes only as small as 10 to 12 microns (most condoms sold in Canada are made in the U.S.A., but I'll mention the Canadian test below).

Roland says in good tests based on these standards, 33% of all condoms tested allowed HIV-sized particles through, and that "spermicidal agents such as nonoxonol-9 may actually ease the passage."

Roland's paper shows electron microscopy photos of natural latex. You can see the natural holes, or intrinsic flaws. The "inherent defects in natural rubber range between 5 and 70 microns."

And it's not as if governments don't know. A study by Dr. R.F. Carey of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control reports that "leakage of HIV-sized particles through latex condoms was detectable for as many as 29 of 89
condoms tested." These were brand new, pre-approved condoms. But Roland says a closer reading of Carey's data actually yields a 78% HIV-leakage rate, and concludes: "That the CDC would promote condoms based on [this] study...suggests its agenda is concerned with something other than public
health and welfare." The federal government's standard tests, he adds, "cannot detect flaws even 70 times larger than the AIDS virus."

Such tests are "blind to leakage volumes less tha one microliter - yet this quantity of fluid from an AIDS-infected individual has been found to contain as
many as 100,000 HIV particles."

As one U.S. surgeon memorably put it, "The HIV virus can go through a condom like a bullet through a tennis net."

It's the same story with latex gloves. Gloves from four different manufacturers revealed "pits as large as 15 microns wide and 30 microns deep." More relevant to HIV transmission, "5 micron-wide channels, penetrating the entire thickness were found in all the gloves." He said the presence of such defects in latex "is well established."

For Canada, the story is the same. A standard Health and Welfare Canada test of condoms manufactured between 1987 and 1990, based on stringent
tests of pressure, leakage, and volume (as in the U.S., there is no effort to examine micron-level leakage), reported that an astonishing 40% of the condoms tested failed at least one of the tests. Tests in 1991 showed an "improved" 28% rate.



12 posted on 06/06/2005 7:14:27 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: David Lane

Even those who still believe in 'AIDS' know condoms have had no effect whatsoever.

'AIDS' IN AFRICA

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Fumento20050414.shtml


13 posted on 06/06/2005 7:16:39 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: wagglebee

Just proves their idiocy and absolute refusal to see evil and try to stop it if possible. To call these people "progressives" is rediculous.


14 posted on 06/06/2005 7:20:15 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: vpintheak

"Elton John raised his concerns about the invitation"

Sir Gay has been running around promoting the AIDS myth for years now. Suddenly he has second thoughts about condoms?

What prompted that?


15 posted on 06/06/2005 7:25:36 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: David Lane

Actually I read it wrong. Sir Gay has second thought about the Pope not condoms. Figures!


16 posted on 06/06/2005 7:28:17 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: Paul Atreides
"I marvel at how many people think that a condom is the solution to the problem of AIDS in Africa."

Yes, Paul. When the men refuse to put them on due to some sort of cultural pride, what are ya gonna do? They cannot be forced. And this is after being educated on the death sentence of the dreaded disease.

17 posted on 06/06/2005 7:31:33 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: Miss Behave

That is what I was alluding to. Even in this country, many will not use one.


18 posted on 06/06/2005 7:33:17 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: David Lane

Geldof's terrorist threat

Geldof's voice is undoubtedly outlawed as a weapon of war

Bob Geldof has warned the leaders of the world's eight biggest economies not to come to their imminent Edinburgh summit unless they give Africa much more money. But what if they defy him and come anyway?

The implication is clear. If they did that, he would almost certainly sing to them. Then where would they be? Geldof's singing voice is undoubtedly outlawed under various Geneva Conventions as a weapon of war, like poison gas. His speaking voice, to which nowadays he resorts more often, is only a few degrees less lethal, especially to civilian populations. Geldof has used both against women and children. Admittedly, he has not sung much for several years, but the threat is always there; hanging over Europe and the world.

The G8 leaders have not yet developed a weapon to combat or deter Geldof's singing. Doubtless, fear of that voice is one of the reasons why the British Government will decide to build a new generation of nuclear weapons. We must continue to deter Geldof's Fook Range vowels.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/06/04/do0405.xml


19 posted on 06/06/2005 7:35:24 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: Paul Atreides

So true. Bump that.


20 posted on 06/06/2005 7:35:25 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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