Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records (Navy provided them to Boston Globe)

boston Globe ^ | June 7, 2005 | Michael Kranish

[FairOpinion]

Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions.

[FairOpinion]

I think he waited until after he sent in Sandy Berger to stuff the incriminating ones into his shoes and pants and remove them from the records.

[FairOpinion]

Fraud Kerry ping

[Maigrey]

Tonk, did you hear anything about this?

[MJY1288]

If he hasn't signed form 180, than this is simply more bullshiite from NVA John

[FairOpinion]

"On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. "

Apparently he did sign the 180 -- but seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if some mole hadn't gotten in there and removed some incriminating ones, such as his original suspected dishonorable or at least general discharge.

[SevenofNine]

WHOA he finally did it I wonder how much that wasn't release to the public come on John dont be hiding behind your wife Teresa skirt here

[Nathan Zachary]

He just released the same crap again. There were a substantianal number of files missing, including reason for discharge etc.
This is whitewash. He did not sign anything I'll bet.

[Auntie Dem]

I posted on a thread in early 2004 that Kerry had a mole in the DOD who was slowly and surreptitiously sanitizing his file. Looks like the job has been completed, and now the pajama squad has another job to do detecting the alterations and frauds. Of course the MSM won't give any of it any credence.

[the_Watchman]

Who has access now? Maybe it is the content that was altered. Maybe the handlers at the Globe are just willing to not turn over any rocks.

[Seaplaner]

I couldn't tell from the article. Hopefully there will be some clarification about Mr. Kerry's original separation and discharge from the Navy.

There were suspicions, mine included, that something might have been less-than-honorable.

Ideally, we'll be able to get to the purple heart of the matter.

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[FairOpinion]

"I posted on a thread in early 2004 that Kerry had a mole in the DOD who was slowly and surreptitiously sanitizing his file."


I'm with you -- it's not only possible, but highly probable.

[fso301]

I seem to recall something about a replacement record or, set of records.

[Plutarch]

Releasing them to his confederates at the Globe is hardly full disclosure. Does Jeff Jacoby get a peek?

[llama hunter]

something does not smell right

Judicial Watch applied to get all of Kerry's Navy record,
during the campaign, I followed this case very closely

the Navy gave Judicial Watch a bunch of documents (including one that suggested that one of Kerry's band of brothers lied about being present for one of his heroic actions, the Navy document showed the man was in hospital or something, I think the NY Sun picked up on that as well)

the Navy told Judicial Watch to go to Kerry's website for some of the documents [Judicial Watch was very pissed off, they felt they should get copies of the Navy originals not what John Kerry claimed was the copy of his record to make sure he hadn't deleted or altered what he had posted]

and then the Navy said there were at least 100 documents they could not release without Kerry's consent

now that 100 document number has been variously reported from 40 to 100 documents or pages of documents....which implies there are a bunch of documents out there that only Judicial Watch and maybe the NY Sun has seen and a bunch of documents no one has seen

we can only conclude that Kerry got his records cleaned up before he even considered running or he got it cleaned up since the election realizing he still wanted to take a kick at the can and that Hillary would be gunning for any tidbit

the nice thing about Hillary is if Kerry is hiding something, if Kerry did manage to whitewash his record, if anyone can find out he did, it will be Hillary....

[datura]

Whatever happened to the documents that Nicosia (IIRC) had obtained via FOIA - all 14 boxes of them? I remember some were "stolen" at just the right time. Seems like that guy needs to be paid a visit.

[Nathan Zachary]

"The file does not provide new documents about various combat actions. It contains mostly a repetition of Kerry's citations for the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. For example, it does not include the combat ''after action reports" that detail what happened in some of the firefights in which Kerry participated."

And of course, none of them are available to view. There are words missing from this story. Words like "cleared by kerry to be released". There are files requesting citation wording changes, where are they?

[BigSkyFreeper]

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president.....

IOW, nothing new.

[Earthdweller]

This should be in breaking news.

Somebody ping the Swifties.

[demlosers]

I recall the Pentagon said last year it did not release about 100 of Kerry's documents.

[MJY1288]

I read that story about him signing Form 180, but there has been no independent verification that he did sign it.. IMHO we will never see his complete record for the simple fact that if his service was so honorable, he would have signed the form already.

Here is what a signed form 180 will reveal......

John Kerry entered the Navy with an Agenda

John Kerry took an 8mm Camera with him in order to record his own self Jimmy Carter pardoned John Kerry for his anti-war activities while still an officer of the Navy.

John Kerry involved himself with several violent anti-war groups who drew FBI scrutiny, his actions while considered the leader of the VVAW played a significant factor in the whole Water-Gate scandal.

I personally don't believe John Kerry will ever sign Form 180, he simply can't defend the reports from his crew-mates, nor his self written "After action" reports

[llama hunter]

well after all isn't that what Burkett was accusing Bush of doing, LOL..

but at least W has a honourable discharge and he can prove it too

and W served way more hours than he was supposed to, even with his campaign hiatus....

the other possibility is that under the Carter amnesty, the military records were expunged of certain documents

however it doesn't explain for example why Kerry lied and said he was honourably discharged in 1970 when he was campaigning in his first shot at office when his own records show he wasn't discharged until 1978

and it doesn't explain the NY Sun story about what a Harvard Admissions Committee member said about why Kerry didn't get into Harvard Law School

it also doesn't explain why all of Kerry's citations were amended on the day he got into the Senate or shortly thereafter...

the third citation of the one medal doesn't make sense it is practically unheard of and the ranking officer who allegedly signed it said he never signed that citation....
must have been a rubber stamp, literally....

[Nathan Zachary]

Until everything is posted for full viewing, and he answers for what is missing,
Kerry has not signed the 180. This is an attempt to whitewash the issue when no one is looking.

[Bush gal in LA]

I was just thinking the same thing. People in high places have all kinds of goons to do dirty work like changing documents and deleting things Lurch doesn't want anyone to know!

[llama hunter]

I was too lazy to register to read the story, otherwise I would have emailed Kranish and said what about the 100 documents the Navy said it couldn't release without Kerry's consent you got those too did you Mikey boy?

[Earthdweller]

Swifties ping

[dila813]

They aren't looking close enough. He sent it to the Globe, are they really going to look closely??

[BradyLS]

Translation: "Secure in the knowldge that his Navy records have been scrubbed and doctored to satisfaction..."

[FairOpinion]

Note that he allowed to have his records released ONLY TO THE BOSTON GLOBE, NOT the general public.

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On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe.

[LibertarianInExile]

"The file includes a previously reported reference to Kerry being treated for the wound and that he was awarded the Purple Heart, but it does not address the details of the combat that night. No after-action report for the incident has been found."

Let's tighten that baby up a bit:

"The file includes a...reference to Kerry being treated... t...o...the Purple Heart...but...no...combat...action...has been found."

There, that's better.

I'll buy that this is his 'complete file' right after he issues a 'complete explanation' of why it took him months to sign the 180. This is more redacted horse manure.

[llama hunter]

the theory works for me, that Kerry was less than honourably discharged for his actions, going to Paris and negotiating with the enemy when he was still a commissioned officer and of course without authorization from the US government

he deserved greater punishment, his behaviour was arguably treasonous, but Nixon likely didn't want to make Kerry a martyr

there was some speculation too that a LHD precludes one from holding office as well....

Kerry got lucky with the Carter amnesty

[MaxMax]

Isn't the whole nature of this, denying the public the truth of
the medals he bragged about during the 2004 campaign?

If he was truthful, then what's the problem?

[dila813]

"....are mostly a duplication"

Look close my friends, I am sure they don't want you to look because the election is over. But it is there in front of our faces, we just need to realize it.

[llama hunter]

I also remember right before the election that someone who worked with or under Kerry in the Navy was going to spill the beans on Kerry on Free Republic, the suggestion was this person either knew personally or worked under a Navy commander who knew that Kerry was less than honourably discharged but couldn't say anything unless Kerry consented or he would be breaking the law, and the Swift Boat Vets told him to stand down anyway

the lefties wouldn't have gotten the significance anyway

[Earthdweller]

ping

[FairOpinion]

You don't need to register to read the Boston Globe.
I never registered and it comes up fine.

Try it.

[Howlin]

''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Is that a "I didn't want to give them what they wanted before I did give them what they wanted" answer?

[llama hunter]

sorry there were 100 documents the Navy acknowledged it couldn't release without Kerry's consent - the Navy otherwise told Judicial Watch that a big chunk of the record Kerry already had posted on his website [how many documents did Kerry post on his website, not 100, that's for sure] but there was another 10 or 20 documents Judicial Watch did obtain that was not on Kerry's website, at least some of those documents involved one of the medal incidents and the NY Sun reported that the documents seemed to proved that one of Kerry's band of brothers who claimed he was present during one of the events where Kerry got a medal, I can no longer recall which one, according to the documents it would have been improbable he was there, the man was apparently listed as being in the hospital or on leave or some such thing at the very time this incident took place, naturaly no one in the MSM hiccuped at the NY Sun story but try to flush a Koran down the tiolet and whoa!!!!

[conshack]

For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."


Sory folks, but anybody that took any stock in these statements needs to know that these are generic statements make on virtually all performance evaluations.
Promote at soonest, promote ahead of peers, fine young officer, et al.

[MaxMax]

Understanding the nature of the press today?,
I doubt that anybody would stand up against the leftist-media
for truth and justice, without a total biased dissemination of family genetics.

Not including every family member before 1776 "of course".

[dila813]

Yes, but to the newspaper they look like duplications. Because they weren't in the Military.

We all know what a service jacket looks like, they don't. Many of the pages appear to be duplicate information, but we know what they really mean.

If we see those pages, we will know.

[llama hunter]

you mean like teachers and report cards LOL

only if you are a real bad apple or trully exceptional or the teacher just plain loves ya do they deviate

[investigateworld]

I wonder if he got VA bennies while in law school?
If he didn't, it would be obvious that he got a LDH discharge. If he did collect VA educational allowances, then ?

[MJY1288]

Kerry hasn't signed form 180 IMHO. Otherwise we would see the details by now

[llama hunter]

for example why didn't anyone pick up on the odd wording of Kerry's discharge in 1978 that was in fact posted on his own website [never mind that I found proof myself that Kerry was telling people he was "honourably" discharged in 1970 - see Harvard Crimson Tide interview of John Kerry 1970] when his own records cannot prove this

now the fact of the matter it was military legal types in the blogosphere and/or the NY Sun were the ones that picked up on the wording as being specific to discharges given under the Carter Amnesty

I suspect that the Less than honourable discharge or any discharge that wasn't honourable, there is a range, were expunged under the Carter Amnesty and the only people who may know about it are bound by confidentiality agreements not to reveal that information

someone on another thread noted that they bet if someone were enterprising that there may be other ways to find out, like reviewing the Nixon files...because surely if Kerry got the LHD because of his trips to Paris, Nixon would have either directed it or was informed of it...since Nixon so despised Kerry, but then you'd think John O Neill might have specific details or Pat Buchanan who worked in the Nixon White House at the time.....

[airedale]

There should be copies of a lot of his tasking orders chopping him from one command to another. There should be copies of orders to have him deliver weapons to the Kamer Rouge and to take the CIA officer (the one that gave him the magic hat) across the boarder. No way would those have been just verbal orders. They could be a message but any CO I know would have kept their own copy even if one didn't make it into the service record.

[Earthdweller]

"John O'Neill, the leader of the Swift Boat veterans group and coauthor of the book ''Unfit for Command," said yesterday that he would be disappointed if Kerry's files do not contain new information."

Looks like you are not the only one who has some doubts about this.

[kitkat]

BUMP

[conshack]

you mean like teachers and report cards LOL

only if you are a real bad apple or trully exceptional or the teacher just plain loves ya do they deviate


Yeppum. If you "walk on water" they use lots of glorious words to spruce it up. If you're a loser(like JF'n actually is), they use the opposite type wording to tear you down. If you're in the middle, you get the kind of phrases that Kerry got(again, he was highly overrated-the proof of this is;they actually consider him to be human).

[CyberAnt]

And .. we all know the Boston Bulb will not print anything that is unfriendly to sKerry .. or the papers have already been scrubbed.

[Mo1]

What exactly does an "undeleted" copy mean ??