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Are We A Privileged Planet? - (are we "alone" among billions of galaxies, stars & planets?)
AMERICAN ENTERPRISE ONLINE.COM ^ | JUNE 10, 2005 | WILLIAM TUCKER

Posted on 06/10/2005 8:04:42 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: DaveLoneRanger
I don't think even evolutionists concede that TWO evolutions could have taken place.

I've never heard that viewpoint expressed. If anything, the fact that life has occurred on earth indicates that it's quite possible to have occurred elsewhere.

The idea that countless lifetimes of light years of travel away exists a separate body of life adds exponentially to the odds against evolution.

Why? This doesn't follow at all.

101 posted on 06/14/2005 12:17:22 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: BikerNYC

You might want to read the story about the ocean explorations of the Chinese under the third and fourth Ming emperors. China only had to walk through an open door and they'd have dominated the world for the next five centuries, and they walked away from it. We're facing a similar door.


102 posted on 06/14/2005 12:18:44 PM PDT by tahotdog
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To: tahotdog

What's the scale on that picture you claim is a village?


103 posted on 06/14/2005 12:28:49 PM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: tahotdog
walk through an open door

Good metaphor. The door is always open, just knock. Why would one knock on an open door?

104 posted on 06/14/2005 12:33:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (Some may think I am a methodist)
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To: tahotdog
We're facing a similar door.

No we're not. And I don't think our mission should be to dominate Mars.

We got to the moon first and I don't see no stinkin' condos on Mare Tranquillitatis yet.
105 posted on 06/14/2005 12:37:43 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: CHARLITE
But then Gonzalez and Richards start talking about other strange "coincidences." How many planets have a clear atmosphere so they can look out on the stars? they ask. How many have a moon that is exactly the size of the sun in its sky? Without that, say Gonzalez and Richards, we wouldn't be able to see a perfect solar eclipse. "Newton was able to examine the spectrum of sunlight because of the solar eclipse," they argue.

Here is where they move definitively from posing a legitimate argument into special pleading, if not out-and-out moonbattery in the first degree.

First of all, an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere (which is dictated by basic chemistry and element abundance on a planet with life as we know it) is going to be generally clear.

Second, there is no reason whatsoever to suppose that having a moon the same size as the sun in the sky is in any way essential, even if one accepts the notion that a large moon provides necessary axial stabilization. (I'm not convinced that life wouldn't adapt just fine to axial instability -- it adapts to some pretty extreme climates on Earth, after all.)

Third, the statement that a solar eclipse is needed to study the spectrum of sunlight is just plain nonsensical. I've seen plenty of rainbows, both natural and artificial, with nary an eclipse in sight.

106 posted on 06/14/2005 12:39:19 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: CHARLITE
Is there a better explanation? The Darwinian "anthropogenic" view now popular in scientific circles, would say, "Of course ice has to be lighter than water. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here to observe it. Therefore, Q.E.D." At the other end of the room, the "Privileged Planet" people would say, "It has to be more than coincidence. Things like that don't just happen. It's proof of Intelligent Design."

Obviously, water ice is less dense than liquid water on any planet (unless the local pressure level is so high that water solidifies into a denser allotrope, which isn't the case in any environment where life as we know it is to be expected anyway). Thus, the argument is completely irrelevant to "privileged planet" twaddle.

107 posted on 06/14/2005 12:42:19 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: BikerNYC

The moon is just rocks, which I find non-interesting. Mars may be the original home of the human race, and I definitely want the US to be the first to get inside those pyramids and read whatever sort of literature one might find there.


108 posted on 06/14/2005 12:59:17 PM PDT by tahotdog
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If nothing else, whoever built those things had bulldozer technology which was better than ours. The first nation to get there will probably dominate the bulldozer market for the next 1000 years.


109 posted on 06/14/2005 1:00:34 PM PDT by tahotdog
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