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More babies, young kids going hungry in US (Blame Dubya's proposed cuts in welfare aid)
Yahoo News ^ | 6/11/05

Posted on 06/12/2005 5:00:16 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: infocats
Every Social Services Department has pamphlets on "good nutrition".

Unfortunately dumb people DO NOT read pamflets. They need to be shown what to do.

101 posted on 06/12/2005 7:15:42 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Truth at first is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed and then it is accepted as self evident.")
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To: anniegetyourgun
You don't suppose the headline writer had an agenda, do you?

Probably he does.

102 posted on 06/12/2005 7:16:22 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Truth at first is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed and then it is accepted as self evident.")
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To: fatnotlazy

I know how your mother must of felt. I breastfed my first son, no problems.... With my second son four years later I could not. I tried for three months, I noticed he was not doing well. When I took him to the doctor he said it was my milk... I had to put him on soy formula... Both of my sons now in their twenty's are very healthy.


103 posted on 06/12/2005 7:17:07 AM PDT by just me
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To: Conservatrix

Something else I should have mentioned -- don't know if it has anything to do with this, but ---

Mom had bouts of anemia. In fact, anemia seems to run in her family. I don't know why -- Mom always ate healthy and she took nutritional supplements, so I don't think it was anything she did or didn't do. And I have the same tendency.


104 posted on 06/12/2005 7:17:21 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: just me

Thank you. :)


105 posted on 06/12/2005 7:18:31 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

Trust me, some believe that women who don't breastfeed their children are lazy (I guess that would include me), without hearing the circumstances of the individual. I am a huge proponent of breastfeeding, but I am not going to call a mother a bad parent if she doesn't breastfeed. FWIW, my three little ones are completely healthy, active, and bright children, and they were mainly formula fed.

Your mom sounds like she did the right thing :)


106 posted on 06/12/2005 7:18:52 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2 (SAHM of three future FReepers--ages 7, 2 (almost 3), and 1)
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To: lucysmom
"they need to be forced to attend the nutrition training showing them how they can get healthy and cheap food."

Cost is less than turning the kids over to the state to support too.

Yes, and the cost is the only argument for the individuals for whom the parent/child relationship has no inherent value.

107 posted on 06/12/2005 7:20:13 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Truth at first is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed and then it is accepted as self evident.")
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To: abclily
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108 posted on 06/12/2005 7:21:47 AM PDT by infocats
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To: Okies love Dubya 2

And thank you too. :)

My mom was the kind who, when she had a problem, she went to extraordinary lengths to try to solve it. She didn't give up after one feeble, half-hearted attempt. She was by no means lazy. I do remember that she said she was made to feel like a bad parent when she tried to breastfeed and couldn't, and I think she may have carried some guilt around with her for a long time afterwards. That was, in my view, entirely unfair.


109 posted on 06/12/2005 7:22:47 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Dallas59

Where do you live that you can get name brand beans and corn that cheap?


110 posted on 06/12/2005 7:23:21 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: A. Pole
A. Pole, I don't think they were saying canned food was equal to fresh. The article said there was no canned food or that it was overpriced. I'm sure eveyrone knows canned food is not the same as fresh.
111 posted on 06/12/2005 7:26:53 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (You should be TERRIfied that you may someday be SCHIAVOed to death!)
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To: infocats

Should have known...from France!


112 posted on 06/12/2005 7:28:21 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Food stamps shouldn't be redeemable for anything except basic foods and staples

There are no such thing as food stamps anymore. When welfare was reformed during the Clinton administration one of the things changed was the food stamp program.

You see, it is degrading for a poor person to be forced to present food stamps in front of other cash-paying customers! So what did the government do? It replaced food stamps with an ATM card. This ATM card can be used in certain locations to withdraw real, green, American cash.

So what do these people do? They withdraw cash and spend the money on drugs, booze, whatever and hit up the food banks for staples. I knew a young woman who regularly spent her "food-stamp" cash on crack and expected her parents to feed her two children (which they gladly did).

I imagine many of these undernourished kids in Baltimore are seeing their food stamp money spent elsewhere.

113 posted on 06/12/2005 7:29:52 AM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
I'm sure eveyrone knows canned food is not the same as fresh.

I am not. BTW, if I had a cat I would not feed him with the canned cat "food".

115 posted on 06/12/2005 7:35:30 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Truth at first is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed and then it is accepted as self evident.")
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To: Drew68

Guess who was a prime mover of the elimination of the "degrading" food stamps in favor of the ATM card?

John McCain!


116 posted on 06/12/2005 7:35:30 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (You should be TERRIfied that you may someday be SCHIAVOed to death!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

"I always tell the hand wringers that there is NO poverty in this country - except by choice. If children are going hungry, then the parents are not working or availing themselves of federal programs. In either case, the children should be put into state care becuase the parents are unfit morons."

"Are there no Prisons? Are there no work houses? Those who are badly off should go there, and those that had be like to die, let them do it, and decrease the surplus population..."


117 posted on 06/12/2005 7:37:59 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: Libloather
"Increasing numbers of young American children are showing signs of serious malnourishment, fueled by a greater prevalence of hunger in the United States..."

The USDA sponsors the Child Nutrition Program, The Child and Adult Care Food Program and the Summer Food Service Program. http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/About/AboutCNP.htm Every child in America that is hungry is eligible to receive food.

118 posted on 06/12/2005 7:41:14 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

>A. Pole, I don't think they were saying canned food was equal to fresh. The article said there was no canned food or that it was overpriced. I'm sure eveyrone knows canned food is not the same as fresh.<

Take note that nowhere in the article does this dishonest shill of a writer mention the availability of frozen vegetables in this country.

The writer harps on the problem of underweight babies. There are plenty of food programs in this country to supply formula and jarred baby food.

However, the parent must make some sort of effort to obtain the help, then must make an effort to see the child is regularly fed.

What does the author expect President Bush to do? Go to the homes of these irresponsible, ignorant people and stand over them to make sure they care for their children?


119 posted on 06/12/2005 7:41:49 AM PDT by Darnright ( Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before)
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To: Uhhuh35

http://www.cssny.org/pbrc/index.html

The Public Benefits Resource Center (PBRC) untangles the complexities of the government benefit system by explaining how benefits work together and where to go for help. PBRC maintains up-to-date information on over 70 government benefit programs for all populations - the elderly, disabled, families, singles and childless couples. PBRC's expertise includes information on benefits such as Public Assistance, Medicaid, SSI, Food Stamps, Social Security, and Child Health Plus. Anyone who needs to negotiate the complicated system of government benefits can access PBRC services.


120 posted on 06/12/2005 7:41:50 AM PDT by listenhillary (If it ain't broke, it will be after the government tries to fix it)
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To: Libloather

"In some areas, green vegetables and fruit are impossible to buy -- even in a can, because there may be no supermarket. Moreover, such items are costly" where are these places?? Alaska? I live in Wyoming, and parts are pretty desolate, but people can still get green vegetables and fruit-and of course, they could try growing them..


121 posted on 06/12/2005 7:53:15 AM PDT by pesto
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To: A. Pole
These "nincompoops" do not need the criminal prosecution. They need some basic compulsory training - what to buy, where to buy, how to cook or prepare, how to eat.

I do agree with you, but it is sad that they didn't learn this from their family while they were growing up, but with the breakup of the fmaily somebody has to fill that vacuum and you end up having society take care of what the family should have a long time ago.
122 posted on 06/12/2005 7:55:08 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: listenhillary

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123 posted on 06/12/2005 7:55:28 AM PDT by listenhillary (If it ain't broke, it will be after the government tries to fix it)
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To: tahotdog
There's no excuse for children being hungry in America.

Why not?

Over 70% of African-American children are born to single mothers. A healthy percentage of those mothers are "children" themselves.

Why are the rest of the citizenry morally...let alone legally obligated to ensure these "families" have enough to eat?

Two words. Personal responsibility.

It can't be too tough since there seems to be a flood of immigrants from the South still choosing to come here.

Liberalism and Socialism are diseases. Democrats are the carriers.

124 posted on 06/12/2005 8:03:16 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: listenhillary

If I am foolish enough to fall asleep on the sofa, I usually wake up around 3:00 a.m. to find Matthew Lesko on tv in his question mark suit dancing all over the place.

I don't like him particularly, but he does make a good point...there are lots of programs out there with monetary assistance available if you get up off your backside and go after them.


125 posted on 06/12/2005 8:04:15 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

I know lots of people who couldn't breastfeed, or didn't want to breastfeed, and formula, when prepared properly is just as nutritious! Your mom I'm sure did the best she could!


126 posted on 06/12/2005 8:04:57 AM PDT by pesto
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To: Conservatrix
I will only say that if something happened to your late mother then it was ignorance on her part, the doctors' part, and society's part.

To be fair to her mother, it could be that she was having babies during the period when the best "scientific" thought supported formulas and strict feeding schedules for babies. The slightest problem and mothers were discouraged from breastfeeding, and of course, having been told they were harming their babies, mothers yielded to the "experts".

The same thing happened to my mother. She breast fed me for a short time, gave up at her doctor's urging, and didn't even try with my brother.

Without the support from a close friend and my pediatrician assuring me that my baby was doing well, I probably would have given up in those first frustrating, painful weeks too.

127 posted on 06/12/2005 8:08:30 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: pesto

Thank you. Mom would have probably felt better hearing such kind words like yours and the others who posted in her defense.


128 posted on 06/12/2005 8:10:01 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Allegra
I read all the way through and never saw the part about parental responsibility. Did I just miss that?

I work with alot of kids that have malnutrition problems and the parents are on Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc. In the past two years, I've seen that the biggest problem those kids have... are irresponsible, immature parents.

It never ceases to amaze me that the welfare Moms have the latest hairdo with expensive tinting processes and the high $$ manicures... but the kids half starve to death.

Our tax dollars at work!

129 posted on 06/12/2005 8:10:09 AM PDT by LaineyDee
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To: Wonder Warthog

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!


130 posted on 06/12/2005 8:11:00 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: rconawa

****I just read a report on a study done in California that stated we are the "most overfed and under-nourished" people in the world.****


In a way we are since the majority of people live on fast food, junk food and overly processed nutrient deficient convenient foods. I have lost over 100 pounds since December simply by eliminating the above mentioned "foods" and eating regular whole foods. It does require knowing how to cook though.


131 posted on 06/12/2005 8:11:49 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: lucysmom

That is probably so. Which confirms that situations like that come from ignorance-- doctor or mother ignorance.

It has nothing to do with love, just that women were duped for generations into beleive everything their MD said as coming from God Himself. And male doctors knew (and still know) little if nothing about breastfeeding, natural childbirth, natural baby care.

Thank God we are in an age where more information exists and there is no excuse for not breastfeeding, and getting professional, competent help when any difficulty arises.


132 posted on 06/12/2005 8:13:07 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: CajunConservative

I was taught to eat healthy, but the problem is that I not only eat healthy, but I eat junk on top of the healthy food. It's the junk, along with a lack of exercise, that puts on the pounds.

I'm working on both (eating and exercising) and I know how hard the struggle is. You're done very well. Congratulationks and best wishes for continued success!


133 posted on 06/12/2005 8:17:42 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Uhhuh35
I agree, the illegals are ripping us off, how come Americans don't know how?

One thing that immigrants often have that American poor do not, is community support from their national group. They share information and what little they have while Americans raised in an "every man is an island" culture, tend not to support eachother.

134 posted on 06/12/2005 8:20:44 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Conservatrix

It has nothing to do with love, just that women were duped for generations into beleive everything their MD said as coming from God Himself.

***

Oh...that was my mother...if the doctor prescribed something and told her to stand on her head to take it, she would. And like I said, while the doctors she consulted bereated her for not being able to breastfeed, they really didn't help her or give her advice -- just criticism. Her instruction on the subject came from the hospital nurse, friends and family. That's what was available at that time in the small town where we lived.

In her day, there was strong encouragement to breastfeed...which is why, along with all the criticism, I think she felt so guilty when she could not do it. But I know what you mean about breastfeeding falling out of favor. I think it did for a time somewhere in the 70's around the time of women's lib. Then it came back again in the conservative 80's.

With all the confusion about breastfeeding being in today, and out tomorrow, no wonder some mothers did not or could not do it.


135 posted on 06/12/2005 8:22:40 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy
But I know what you mean about breastfeeding falling out of favor. I think it did for a time somewhere in the 70's around the time of women's lib. Then it came back again in the conservative 80's.

I don't think it had anything to do with woman's lib. It was a faddish belief that scientific was better than natural, and scientific schedules were better than the old fashioned "feed 'em when they're hungry" approach.

By the time my first child was born in 1974, attitudes were changing and breast feeding was back on the rise.

136 posted on 06/12/2005 8:37:22 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom

Thank you. Needed the history lesson. :)


137 posted on 06/12/2005 8:39:27 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

I was taught to eat right too. I even have a degree in home ec, I should have known better. However, the eating out and snacking wreaked havoc on my weight. We have snacked ourselves into an obesity epidemic. The best thing I did was to quit the foods with high fructose corn syrup and partially hydrogenated fats. That's just about everything in the middle isles of the store.

Young parents today haven't been taught proper nutrition and how to cook for the most part. They were raised on McDonald's, pizza, chicken nuggets, tv dinners and stuff like that. When you have preteens being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and morbidly obese something is terribly wrong with the picture.


138 posted on 06/12/2005 8:43:19 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: Okies love Dubya 2
Trust me, some believe that women who don't breastfeed their children are lazy (I guess that would include me)

Ha! What could be lazier than breastfeeding? No trips to the store for formula, no bottles to prepare, nothing to wash, unless you are among the unfortunate that have to return to work shortly after the birth of a baby. Then trying to continue feeding with breast milk becomes quite a chore.

139 posted on 06/12/2005 8:49:05 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: CajunConservative

I admit to falling out of the habit of cooking on weekends...something I did for a lot of years as a grownup...then started to get lazy about it. You're right -I found out the hard way that all the junk food and too much eating out does put on the pounds. I learned from my mother to make food in quantity -- usually focusing on such main dishes as the usual comfort food: meatloaf, roasts, stews and the like -- and then freezing them in individual servings. They are a godsend for days like today when I have to work...and they keep me from heading toward the nearest McDonalds. All I need once I have the basic roast or whatever is a baked potato and a salad and voila -- dinner!

My mother, for being largely "uneducated" (she didn't finish high school) was an avid reader. She had a lifelong thirst for knowledge and she was rather savvy. My parents were never wealthy and often we had lean times growing up, but Mom knew how to buy smart, cook smart and put nutritious food on the table, in good times and bad. You're right...we have multiple generations now who, with all the resources available, don't know how to do any of this...or don't want to.


140 posted on 06/12/2005 8:55:49 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Bahbah
"In some areas, green vegetables and fruit are impossible to buy -- even in a can, because there may be no supermarket. Moreover, such items are costly."

More idiotic propaganda from our friends on the Left.

141 posted on 06/12/2005 9:46:32 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: lucysmom

Er, excuse me. How many children have you breastfed that you are an expert?

I have exclusively breastfed -- no bottles or forumula or pacifiers EVER-- 6 children over 12 years. I was breastfeeding most of those 12 years. You have to have stamina, committment, love, determination, sacrifice, duty, patience, tolerance, and knowledge in order to sucessfully breastfed day and night (and I don't mean to breastfeed for 2 weeks and then go to formula). THAT requires much more than laziness.

How dare you call God's way lazy! It is lazy to allow your precious God-given milk to dry up and buy disgusting cow formula and put that into your baby. You hardly need to mix the gunk nowadays, it's all in a can. You just prop the baby up wit a bottle and you can continue to watch Jerry Springer. You can give the bottle to your mother and go out an party. THAT is laziness.

PLEASE.


142 posted on 06/12/2005 9:54:02 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Libloather

On tv last night: poor families unable to get powdered milk...because farmers are getting such high prices for milk, they don't have any leftover to sell to the govt. to be turned into the powdered variety and given to poor families.


143 posted on 06/12/2005 9:57:44 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Reactionary

More idiotic propaganda from our friends on the Left.

****

I'll say. Unless you live on the moon, there are places to go to for food.

And by the way, my dinky town has markets and once a week, the farmers come to town to sell their wares. They accept the government ATM (food stamps) card too.


144 posted on 06/12/2005 10:04:23 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: You Dirty Rats

I agree ... it's a terrible example of 'investigative' journalism if that is what it's supposed to be. Perhaps the journalist might have spent a few weeks living with the 'hungry' families to observe how they spend their time and income and/or welfare checks and/or food stamps. The reporter might also have noted the age(s) of the parent(s), their marital status, number of children in the family unit, their ages, etc.

One can hardly blame Bush or Congress or anyone else if a child goes hungry because his/her unmarried 15 year old mother, who's got another child or two and is still dating and putting herself in a situation to produce more children, is not responsible enough to use her govt assistance to feed that child properly.

Love the 'red tofu' line ;)


145 posted on 06/12/2005 10:34:41 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: infocats

Thanks for the information.


146 posted on 06/12/2005 10:44:39 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Libloather
In 2003, 11.2 percent of families in the United States experienced hunger

Actually 100 percent of families experienced hunger ... that's why they eat dinner.

147 posted on 06/12/2005 10:58:56 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Bossy Gillis
I can remember taking my lunch box to school, my mom made breakfast and dinner.

Lol...
My mom packed a great lunch box! Mom was a homemaker back then. Seems like a whole different universe looking back on it.
...
148 posted on 06/12/2005 11:13:35 AM PDT by mugs99
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To: abclily
Thanks for the information.

Mon plaisir...oh no, not French ;-)

149 posted on 06/12/2005 11:53:17 AM PDT by infocats
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To: Drew68

This is incorrect. The Access Card for food stamps cannot be used as cash. You simply use it like a credit card adn buy food. You balance is shown on the receipt.
You can, however, get cash assistance, which is on the same Access card. THAT you could ostensibly take out and use for anything, drugs, etc. But the food stamp portion is programmed only for food.


150 posted on 06/12/2005 1:31:07 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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