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S-c-h-a-d- ... oh, brother, this word is a tricky one
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | 6/11/05 | Kerry Dougherty

Posted on 06/12/2005 5:49:48 AM PDT by SlowBoat407

Schadenfreude.

There, I’ve said it. Better yet, written it. You have no idea how good this feels.

It’s been ages since I first slipped this polysyllabic German noun into a column.

“What is this ?” my editor yelped.

“Schadenfreude?” I asked innocently. “It means taking pleasure in someone else’s misery.”

“Why don’t you just say that then?” he demanded.

“ I did. In German. We have no word for it.”

“This isn’t a German newspaper. You have enough trouble with English. Stick to the language you know best.”

“Muy bien,” I muttered and replaced s chadenfreude with a long, awkward English phrase I’ve since forgotten.

A few months later, I tried again.

“No s chadenfreude!” he hollered into the phone.

“Mea culpa,” I gulped, adding stupidly, “but I see it all the time in The New Yorker.”

“That’s nice. Next time you write a piece for The New Yorker, use it. In the meantime, don’t.”

And so the s chadenfreude power struggle began.

“No one knows what it means,” he insisted every time I tried to insert the 13-letter word.

“Yes they do. Or they can figure it out,” I whined.

“It’s a terrible word,” he declared.

In short, s chadenfr eude was verboten. Verboten wasn’t verboten. Neither was “angst,” nor a bevy of words borrowed from foreign languages. Decolletage? Derriere? Carte blanche? Carpe diem? Gesundheit? All acceptable.

I made a last stab at s chadenfreude a couple of months ago. My exasperated editor agreed to conduct a survey to see how many writers were familiar with the word.

“No dice,” he announced, with a touch of – dare I say it? – s chadenfreude.

“No one knew what it meant.”

“You only asked the sports guys, didn’t you?” I wailed.

Then I devised a plan. I’d sneak the word into a quote, with questions like this:

“Would you say this whole thing reeks of s chadenfreude?”

Unfortunately, most of the people I talk to are council members, cranks and kooks.

“Huh?” they’d reply.

So I have been left to morosely underline the word I-dare-not-write whenever I stumble upon it in other publications.

And I’ve spent many melancholic hours consumed with envy for these writers and their unfettered access to big words.

I also keep a tally of how many times the word pops up in Google: 434,000 hits as of Friday.

In the process, I’ve discovered s chadenfreude Web sites. Found a comedy group by that name. A punk band, too.

Searching the Internet, I see that even Rush Limbaugh dared utter the word. He has millions of listeners. I’ll bet none objected.

Schadenfreude was even dictionary.com’s Word of the Day on May 10, 2000.

“A malicious satisfaction in the misfortune of others,” read the official definition.

A good word, no?

But not for me.

So, you wonder, why is today different from any other?

My editor is out of town. He’s taken a well-deserved long weekend off.

No sooner had he announced his plans than it hit me. This was my chance. Not only could I write the word, I could do other crazy things. Heck, I’d even be able to use parentheses. (My editor hates them, says they “junk up” newspaper copy.)

“While you’re away, I’m going to use s chadenfreu de,” I warned him earlier this week.

“Better not, ” he said, with a sly laugh. “You see it everywhere these days. In fact, it’s become a cliche .”

Reach Kerry at (757) 446-2306 or kerry.dougherty@cox.net.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: scadenfreude; schadenfreude
The word is spreading!! I'm surprised she didn't mention FR, though.
1 posted on 06/12/2005 5:49:48 AM PDT by SlowBoat407
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To: SlowBoat407

Schadenfreude Bump!


2 posted on 06/12/2005 5:54:57 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SlowBoat407
In short, schadenfreude was verboten. Verboten wasn’t verboten. Neither was “angst,” nor a bevy of words borrowed from foreign languages. Decolletage? Derriere? Carte blanche? Carpe diem? Gesundheit? All acceptable.

Even children in kindergarten learn about schadenfreude.

3 posted on 06/12/2005 6:05:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republicans and Democrats no longer exist. There are only Fabian and revolutionary socialists.)
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To: Calpernia

Now that I know what it means, I'd like to know how to pronounce it.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 6:06:39 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: WVNan

bttt


5 posted on 06/12/2005 6:08:42 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: WVNan

LOL! Me too!


6 posted on 06/12/2005 6:09:06 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: KarlInOhio
. . . kindergarten . . .

:)

7 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:42 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: WVNan
SHOD-en-froy-duh
8 posted on 06/12/2005 6:12:54 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: SlowBoat407
Then I devised a plan. I’d sneak the word into a quote, with questions like this: “Would you say this whole thing reeks of s chadenfreude?” Unfortunately, most of the people I talk to are council members, cranks and kooks. “Huh?” they’d reply.

Inadvertent insight into how the mind of a journalist works!

9 posted on 06/12/2005 6:16:10 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: WVNan
Now that I know what it means, I'd like to know how to pronounce it.

shah-dun-froy-duh. Accents on the shah and froy.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=schadenfreude

Click on the little speaker to hear it.

10 posted on 06/12/2005 6:16:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republicans and Democrats no longer exist. There are only Fabian and revolutionary socialists.)
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To: WVNan
I'd like to know how to pronounce it.

Like "SHODD-en-froy-duh". Don't shout the first syllable, but do stress it.

11 posted on 06/12/2005 6:17:55 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: WVNan

SHAY-den-froid-ah


12 posted on 06/12/2005 6:18:34 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Physicist

You must be a Yankee ;o>


13 posted on 06/12/2005 6:19:59 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: SlowBoat407
It tells you something about a culture when it has a single word to describe something complex. Of course, Germans could product a single word of twenty-nine syllables to describe pretty much anything.

Then there's Russian, with long tongue twisters for everything, until you get to a two letter word for cabbage soup.

14 posted on 06/12/2005 6:21:31 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
Of course, Germans could product a single word of twenty-nine syllables to describe pretty much anything.

Germans just love compound words, which they string together like so many sausages. It is one of the wurst features of their language.

15 posted on 06/12/2005 6:23:10 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republicans and Democrats no longer exist. There are only Fabian and revolutionary socialists.)
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To: SlowBoat407
Leave it to the Germans to come up with one word for, "the enjoyment of someone else's suffering"
16 posted on 06/12/2005 6:23:20 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: SlowBoat407
i've been feeling intense schadenfreude every time i watch howard dean open his mouth, screaming invectives and revealing the soul of the demo party.

every time i hear glen beck play the audio of hillary shrieking at that convention, i revel in anticipation of her presidential campaign.

awaiting the publication of "Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine," schadenfreude, though unsolicited, beckons me, whispering seductively in my ear, "pain, misery, punishment will walk hand in hand with those who ruined the lives of those less powerful.

schadenfreude. a word i learned in the nineties.

17 posted on 06/12/2005 6:25:32 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The lone a in German is pronouced ah.


18 posted on 06/12/2005 6:26:09 AM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: KarlInOhio
I was looking through a friend of mine's German book in High School, and couldn't believe the size of some of the words in there. They actually had one huge word for, "could you please hold on, and wait for another line, this one is busy"
19 posted on 06/12/2005 6:27:13 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: jimfree
The lone a in German is pronouced ah.

I, sir, prefer to pronounce it the 'Merican way, thank you!

20 posted on 06/12/2005 6:29:53 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: KarlInOhio
I think their language helps with techinical things, such as Plattenwaermeaustauscher, for a plate-type milk pastereurizer, but their anatomy is ridiculous. Bauchspeicheldruse ('belly spit gland') for pancreas?
21 posted on 06/12/2005 6:30:45 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: SlowBoat407
I'm surprised she didn't mention FR, though.

And I'll bet she doesn't realize, when she uses the word "the", just how much we use it here, too.

22 posted on 06/12/2005 6:34:17 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Husker24
Here's one that should strike fear into your heart:

Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgaben übertragungsgesetz

"Beef-meat-labelling-inspection-assignment-monitoring-law"
23 posted on 06/12/2005 6:36:21 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Physicist

When I was studying German, I was amazed to learn all the different forms of the articles "a" and "the" you have to know. I think there was something like 16 different forms--and you must use the right one each time, or it changes the meaning of what you are saying.


24 posted on 06/12/2005 6:45:31 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: WVNan
A couple more pronunciation pointers:

The second syllable is clipped, like when you say the word "sodden". You more or less say it through your nose.

The "r" is rolled, but while a Spanish speaker rolls his "r" on the tip of his tongue, a German speaker rolls his on the back of his tonge. In practice, if you pronounce it like Tom Brokaw pronounces an "l", you'll come pretty darn close.

25 posted on 06/12/2005 6:45:58 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: KarlInOhio

Kids are able to wallow in schadenfreude quite without any training at all.

Does that mean they are by nature all future FReepers and the educrats train it out of them? ;-)


26 posted on 06/12/2005 6:46:42 AM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: RedBeaconNY

BTTT


27 posted on 06/12/2005 6:48:44 AM PDT by RedBeaconNY (Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes.)
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To: struwwelpeter

Holy sh!t!


28 posted on 06/12/2005 6:49:17 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: struwwelpeter
Of course, Germans could product a single word of twenty-nine syllables to describe pretty much anything.

My favorite is Sonntagsnachmittagspaziergang

Maybe you know German, but for those who don't, that translates to "Sunday afternoon walk."

29 posted on 06/12/2005 6:55:56 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: SlowBoat407

30 posted on 06/12/2005 7:00:27 AM PDT by StoneGiant
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To: Husker24; shhrubbery!
I guess it's not just German that likes to make up huge words:

(Translation:)
KavkazChat - the longest word! (game)
Rentgenehlektrokardiograficheskogo - 33 letters
('of x-ray electrocardiographic').

That's not really a Russian word, since the roots are German. How about these:

(Translation:)
1. The longest word in the Russian language, though not registered in the dictionary:
Vodogryazetorfoparafinolechenie; ('water-mud-parafin treatment')
2. Longest word in the Bulgarian language consists of 39 letters and means 'Do not disrupt the constitution', and looks like this:
NEPROTIVOKONSTITUTSIONSTVUVATELSTVUVAYTE;
3. Newspaperman Bruce LaBruce in one of his articles asserted that there is no longer word in modern English than 'antidisestablishmentarianism', but one of his readers disagreed and sent in his collection of letters:
Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcaniosis;


31 posted on 06/12/2005 7:08:36 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
Hey, my ancestors the Swedes do agglutinative words too:

NORDÖSTERSJÖKUSTARTILLERIFLYGSPANINGSSIMULATORANLÄGG- NINGSMATERIELUNDERHÅLLSUPPFÖLJNINGSSYSTEMDISKUSSIONS- INLÄGGSFÖRBEREDELSEARBETEN.

This means "preparatory work on the contribution to the discussion on the maintaining system of support of the material of the aviation survey simulator device within the north-east part of the coast artillery of the Baltic."

32 posted on 06/12/2005 7:15:33 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: struwwelpeter

But the "pneumono..." word is a technical word, i.e. it
is part of medical terminology...so it's not in general
use....some of the other foreign words mentioned in some
of the previous posts seem like those that can be
used in non-technical settings.


33 posted on 06/12/2005 7:23:44 AM PDT by Getready ((...Fear not ...))
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To: struwwelpeter
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgaben übertragungsgesetz

It comes as absolutely no shock to me that a people who could devise a word like the above would murder six million people in cold blood.

34 posted on 06/12/2005 7:30:37 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: shhrubbery!
NORDÖSTERSJÖKUSTARTILLERIFLYGSPANINGSSIMULATORANLÄGG- NINGSMATERIELUNDERHÅLLSUPPFÖLJNINGSSYSTEMDISKUSSIONS- INLÄGGSFÖRBEREDELSEARBETEN.

You are the winner! Did they miss any letters? Where's the 'Z'? Why, they could have gotten another 3 inches if they included 'Z'.

35 posted on 06/12/2005 7:31:51 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Getready
I was looking for words on one site, and they were playing games by adding prefixes like quasi-, stereo-, hyper-, etc to really make some monsters.

Is it just me, or are the long words actually easier to spell than the short ones?

36 posted on 06/12/2005 7:34:22 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Husker24
"the enjoyment of someone else's suffering"

Sadist?
37 posted on 06/12/2005 8:11:28 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: SlowBoat407

bttt


38 posted on 06/12/2005 8:20:00 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (The MRS wanted to go to an expensive place to eat so I took her to the gas station.)
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To: SlowBoat407

Schadenfreude = Nee-Ner ... Nee-Ner ... Neeee-Ner ...


39 posted on 06/12/2005 9:01:26 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: SlowBoat407

40 posted on 06/12/2005 9:30:29 AM PDT by Nick Danger (www.iranfree.org)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I, sir, prefer to pronounce it the 'Merican way, thank you!Oh, another loyal citizen of the NSM? ('Nited States 'Merica)
41 posted on 06/12/2005 12:58:59 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: struwwelpeter
Heh. IIRC the Swedish alphabet doesn't really include a letter 'z.'

They do use some foreign words with the letter 'z' in them (such as 'zoo,' which is pronounced 'so').

42 posted on 06/12/2005 1:15:22 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: papertyger

How do you say it in Southern dialect?


43 posted on 06/12/2005 1:20:01 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
How do you say it in Southern dialect?

Y'all-come-back-now

44 posted on 06/12/2005 1:35:12 PM PDT by papertyger (Islam is unique among religions in having developed doctrine mandating violence against unbelievers.)
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To: papertyger

Wry, Wry, chuckle, chuckle.


45 posted on 06/12/2005 1:41:18 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: jimfree
Oh, another loyal citizen of the NSM?

Ssshhh! I'm forty miles behind enemy lines.

46 posted on 06/12/2005 4:47:46 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: papertyger; Physicist
SHOD-en-froy-duh

SHAY-en-froid-ah

I'm so confused...

47 posted on 06/12/2005 10:25:33 PM PDT by WVNan
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