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Which of these is a greater danger? (GUNS vs. Pools)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | June 12, 2005 | Eric Swedlund

Posted on 06/12/2005 8:00:59 AM PDT by SandRat

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To: SandRat

Actually the point of the article is to remind people that real everyday life is more dangerous than the off chance of your kid finding a gun. I had some friends who got into the habit of always bringing up the subject of putting in a pool. They kept asking why my husbnad and I didn't install one. Finally my husband said he wasn't interested in coming home and finding one of the neighbor's kids floating dead in the water. Besides you can only use the darn thing for 3 or months out of the year anyway.

I don't know if any pool maker has been sued but people have been sued and have lost for not having fences around their pools.


21 posted on 06/12/2005 8:45:14 AM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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To: SandRat

So what? I've been down this road in my arguments with the gun nazis and they don't care. Their argument is that pools (or whatever hazard you want to mention and BTW falling down stairs and loose rugs cause as many injuries as guns) have 'redeeming social values' while guns don't.


22 posted on 06/12/2005 8:46:28 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: SandRat
Excellent end! The gun respect is next. Still recovering from ballet recitals. ;D!
23 posted on 06/12/2005 8:47:57 AM PDT by poobear
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To: SandRat

Kids are 16 times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a gun in the house...
Kids are 16 times more likely to drown in a pool if you have a pool at your house...
Kids are 16 times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a pool at your house...

No, wait a minute...


24 posted on 06/12/2005 8:53:32 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Condor51

but, but,... what about the loop-hole in pool safety of unregulated garage sales of pools and Flea-Market sales?</sarc


25 posted on 06/12/2005 8:54:49 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
Exactly- Mom was a Master Sarge in the WACs starting when it was the Women's Auxillary Air Corps ( WAAC ) and Dad came from a long line of sailors from windjamming days- they both knew living was inherently dangerous- but foolish actions or unwise decisions could make it a lot worse in a hurry.

Reading over Nathan Zachary's reply reminded me of something I had not thought about in decades- Dad liked to say some people were like "hothouse plants- not fit to survive in a normal environment."

26 posted on 06/12/2005 8:56:41 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: thathamiltonwoman

Even with fences many have been sued.

Many insurance companies view pools as an attractive nuisance and charge homeowners with any sort of pool a much higher premium expecting the JohnEdwards Ambulance Chasers to sue them.


27 posted on 06/12/2005 8:57:51 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: DugwayDuke

At which time I usually point out that I'm beginning to question in my mind if there is any left of the Liberals redeeming value.


28 posted on 06/12/2005 8:59:54 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Condor51

Buckets are the 'logical' equivalent of Saturday Night Specials(tm), cheap and uncontrolled. Is (tap) water the 'logical' equivalent of ammunition?


29 posted on 06/12/2005 9:00:55 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: backhoe

That's a good description of most liberals.


30 posted on 06/12/2005 9:02:00 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
***but, but,... what about the loop-hole in pool safety of unregulated garage sales of pools and Flea-Market sales?

Ahah!
That's the beauty of my proposal - 44,000 pool laws, not like the piddly 22,000 gun laws. They'll be no 'loopholes'1

:-)


1 - I love the misuse of that word. Anything NOT covered, aka remaining legal or unregulated, in any law becomes a loophole to said law/regulations opponents.

31 posted on 06/12/2005 9:03:52 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Hodar

"Or, we have expect parents to watch their kids and not expect the TV to be a babysitter."

This is the better choice. But building a fence around pools is also a pretty good idea.


32 posted on 06/12/2005 9:05:16 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Which is why you can hardly find a pool with a deep end in it anymore...can't let people get in water over their heads, can we? On second thought, let's just remove the swimming pool that people can actually swim and get exercise in, and put in a water park with a foot-deep kiddie pool for the adults! No, wait, they can drown in that too...better ban water!

Life has a 100% fatality curve. Nobody gets out alive.

}:-)4


33 posted on 06/12/2005 9:11:22 AM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia--commemorating 140 years of Yankee occupation.)
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To: DugwayDuke
"Their argument is that pools (or whatever hazard you want to mention and BTW falling down stairs and loose rugs cause as many injuries as guns) have 'redeeming social values' while guns don't.


So, according to the leftys, cops and the military should not be allowed to have guns? If they are, why? If for protection, why deny American citizens the same basic right to protect themselves from the perps of violence?

Cops are good for taking reports, saying it is OK to clean up the blood and gore, then trying to find the perp after the fact. I prefer to have the means of being responsible for me & mine if it ever comes down to that fateful moment of live or die.
34 posted on 06/12/2005 9:35:56 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: SandRat
"Living with a swimming pool in your back yard is like living next to the Grand Canyon," said Dr. Bob Berg, a pediatric intensive specialist at University Medical Center and a UA professor. "You should never feel comfortable there."

WHAT A COMPLETE GOOBER

I'll take the house by the grand canyon please and Dr Berg can go live in fear of his kitchen knives L0L

35 posted on 06/12/2005 9:45:26 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Calpernia
Don't move! I have a pool in my pocket

Thats gonna leave a mark ;)

36 posted on 06/12/2005 9:47:37 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: poobear

Your post makes me feel better- don't have children yet (hopefully will have in the next couple of years) but want a pool in my backyard, hubby doesn't. Hope to get one within the next 5 years, maybe longer if we do have children just to err on the side of caution, however if my better-half sees this article it will be a nonissue in our house, there will be no pool.


37 posted on 06/12/2005 9:50:19 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: SandRat

And so they should. A second attractive nuisance, the bathtub, and a third, the shower are responsible for many deaths. The number 3 cause of death in the US is accidental falls.

Number 1. Car accidents.
Number 2. Heart attacks.
Number 3. Accidental falls.

Lawyers: An unattractive nuisance.


Roughly on the same order: drowndings in 5 gallon buckets and firearm accidents.


38 posted on 06/12/2005 10:04:11 AM PDT by Donald Meaker (i)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
"Buckets are the 'logical' equivalent of Saturday Night Specials(tm), cheap and uncontrolled."

Perhaps you were being ironic about buckets, but there ws one instance where a child drowned in a bucket being used as a 'chamber pot' under the bed.

Suffice it to say, resusitation was more than difficult.

39 posted on 06/12/2005 10:22:18 AM PDT by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: SandRat

We need to close the swimming hole loop hole. ("Pool hole"?)


40 posted on 06/12/2005 10:41:53 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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